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	<title>Comments on: Spanking and abuse</title>
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	<description>If the foundations be destroyed, what shall the righteous do? --Psalm 11:3</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Troy Camplin</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-4267</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Troy Camplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually the verse reads: he who spares the rod hates the child."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually the verse reads: he who spares the rod hates the child.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3557</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering how long this discussion could go on before that verse would come up. : )  There does seem to me an increasing push toward parenting styles which treat children like adults, allowing them quite a bit of freedom and minimal consequences, like the movement to never tell a child "no" I heard about back when I had my oldest.  

I am not saying they cannot parent according to their philosophical convictions, but sometimes I wonder where our nation will be if we continue down that path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering how long this discussion could go on before that verse would come up. : )  There does seem to me an increasing push toward parenting styles which treat children like adults, allowing them quite a bit of freedom and minimal consequences, like the movement to never tell a child &#8220;no&#8221; I heard about back when I had my oldest.  </p>
<p>I am not saying they cannot parent according to their philosophical convictions, but sometimes I wonder where our nation will be if we continue down that path.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Warr</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin Warr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How far America has come since the days when the words "For God and Country" were penned. Proverbs tells us "... spare the rod and spoil the child". So now, we are going to let our child spank us in court? When we choose to turn away from core principles and try to create our own path through life, we do stupid things like pass a law that bans spanking of misbehaving children... Makes one wonder how many people in legislative power were victims of child abuse to the point where they fear discipline that much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How far America has come since the days when the words &#8220;For God and Country&#8221; were penned. Proverbs tells us &#8220;&#8230; spare the rod and spoil the child&#8221;. So now, we are going to let our child spank us in court? When we choose to turn away from core principles and try to create our own path through life, we do stupid things like pass a law that bans spanking of misbehaving children&#8230; Makes one wonder how many people in legislative power were victims of child abuse to the point where they fear discipline that much&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think removal from the home would have been a better alternative?  

I know people on both sides who have been spanked...I don't know if the difference is in personality or in how the spankings are administered.  I do know studies have shown that it has a different effect on children in communities where the practice is common and those where it is not.

My main point is that we cannot legislate good parenting.  And the consequences of potentially losing a parent (Sweden is held up as an example where a parent can receive jail time) are far worse than the average spanking.

And our social services are overburdened as it is.  They are not able to effectively protect children as it is without having to investigate every parent who administers a spanking.

For the record, I neither condone nor condemn spanking.  And please remember also that I have worked with kids who came from some pretty bad places, including being prostituted for drugs.  I cannot put the two on the same plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think removal from the home would have been a better alternative?  </p>
<p>I know people on both sides who have been spanked&#8230;I don&#8217;t know if the difference is in personality or in how the spankings are administered.  I do know studies have shown that it has a different effect on children in communities where the practice is common and those where it is not.</p>
<p>My main point is that we cannot legislate good parenting.  And the consequences of potentially losing a parent (Sweden is held up as an example where a parent can receive jail time) are far worse than the average spanking.</p>
<p>And our social services are overburdened as it is.  They are not able to effectively protect children as it is without having to investigate every parent who administers a spanking.</p>
<p>For the record, I neither condone nor condemn spanking.  And please remember also that I have worked with kids who came from some pretty bad places, including being prostituted for drugs.  I cannot put the two on the same plane.</p>
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		<title>By: Summer</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3546</link>
		<dc:creator>Summer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It leaves lasting physical and emotional scars on children that will never be erased. Regardless of how you feel about it, however, a swat on the fingers or on the behind will not."

I've got to disagree with you there. I was spanked as a child. Nothing more than anyone else my age was having, nothing that would be called "abuse". Yet is did leave emotional scars to me, and to many others that are anti-spanking. I never felt that I learned a lesson other than to do as I was told or I would be hit again. My feelings against spanking are from the moments when the adults thought they were disciplining me, and I felt that I was worthless. Those emotions rarely go away, especially when created by someone who is supposed to love you most of all. As a child I felt that if that was what my mistakes made me to them, what did they make me to the rest of the world? I found myself over-eager to please, doing anything that was asked to make people happy. To show that I was good and not worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It leaves lasting physical and emotional scars on children that will never be erased. Regardless of how you feel about it, however, a swat on the fingers or on the behind will not.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got to disagree with you there. I was spanked as a child. Nothing more than anyone else my age was having, nothing that would be called &#8220;abuse&#8221;. Yet is did leave emotional scars to me, and to many others that are anti-spanking. I never felt that I learned a lesson other than to do as I was told or I would be hit again. My feelings against spanking are from the moments when the adults thought they were disciplining me, and I felt that I was worthless. Those emotions rarely go away, especially when created by someone who is supposed to love you most of all. As a child I felt that if that was what my mistakes made me to them, what did they make me to the rest of the world? I found myself over-eager to please, doing anything that was asked to make people happy. To show that I was good and not worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Troy Camplin</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3539</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Troy Camplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with you on this. Overall, this is part of the trend away from any kind of discipline. That's why schools have become the way they are: you can't have education without discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this. Overall, this is part of the trend away from any kind of discipline. That&#8217;s why schools have become the way they are: you can&#8217;t have education without discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3535</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right, there.  I was thinking of the nurse.  But we know representatives don't always have time to read the legislation.  They need a mocking constituency to do that for them and talk show hosts to call them on it.

Ignorance or arrogance?  I don't know, but neither are good qualities in a representative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, there.  I was thinking of the nurse.  But we know representatives don&#8217;t always have time to read the legislation.  They need a mocking constituency to do that for them and talk show hosts to call them on it.</p>
<p>Ignorance or arrogance?  I don&#8217;t know, but neither are good qualities in a representative.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3534</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I think that may be what is behind their inclination to try to solve all problems by passing laws...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I think that may be what is behind their inclination to try to solve all problems by passing laws&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3533</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know. If Representative Kaufman's response is any indication, I'd say that more than likely the supporters think they are better than everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. If Representative Kaufman&#8217;s response is any indication, I&#8217;d say that more than likely the supporters think they are better than everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/30/spanking-and-abuse/#comment-3532</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or they really have not thought things through.  It is becoming pretty common to see a problem and think it can be fixed by passing a law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or they really have not thought things through.  It is becoming pretty common to see a problem and think it can be fixed by passing a law.</p>
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