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]]> By: Dana http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3658 Dana Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:20:25 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3658 Thanks, Angela. And I noticed that with your commenters. You are right about responsibility...and even with gun control there are numerous ways to get guns in the United States. Drugs are tightly controlled substances with a total ban, yet we haven't been able to get rid of them, despite our "war on drugs." Guns are a little different, but if you want to kill people, there are a variety of ways to do so, and a number of ways to obtain weapons. Thanks, Angela. And I noticed that with your commenters. You are right about responsibility…and even with gun control there are numerous ways to get guns in the United States. Drugs are tightly controlled substances with a total ban, yet we haven’t been able to get rid of them, despite our “war on drugs.” Guns are a little different, but if you want to kill people, there are a variety of ways to do so, and a number of ways to obtain weapons.

]]> By: Angela from Omaha http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3657 Angela from Omaha Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:54:12 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3657 I believe that there are responsible gun owners and irresponsible gun owners. Then there are those that steal guns no matter who has them. That's why responsible gun owners take the time to lock their guns up. The thread over on my blog got so out of control I had to delete a few of the comments. We went from 25 down to 10 and that was because a lot of the comments left were from people trying to get a rise over those of us that would prefer not to glorify the shooter. In any case... I think I'm going to try and get down to Von Maur this week if the weather will let up so I can snap some photos to share with you guys. I'm really ticked off at the major news networks for not covering this story appropriately. I believe that there are responsible gun owners and irresponsible gun owners. Then there are those that steal guns no matter who has them. That’s why responsible gun owners take the time to lock their guns up.

The thread over on my blog got so out of control I had to delete a few of the comments. We went from 25 down to 10 and that was because a lot of the comments left were from people trying to get a rise over those of us that would prefer not to glorify the shooter.

In any case… I think I’m going to try and get down to Von Maur this week if the weather will let up so I can snap some photos to share with you guys.

I’m really ticked off at the major news networks for not covering this story appropriately.

]]> By: Jack's Porch http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3655 Jack's Porch Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:16:24 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3655 From the Colorado shootings: "The gunman was killed by an armed security volunteer at the church before police arrived, authorities said. The gunman's name was not released. Officers found several smoke-generating devices on the church campus; their intended purpose wasn't clear." By JUDITH KOHLER Associated Press Writer http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHURCH_SHOOTINGS?SITE=NCAGW&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT How many more would have been victims if the armed security volunteer was not present? How many would have initially been killed if they all carried and concealed? Also notice how the police arrived and found the criminal dead. How many more would have died if citizens had to wait for the police to defend themselves? From the Colorado shootings:

“The gunman was killed by an armed security volunteer at the church before police arrived, authorities said. The gunman’s name was not released. Officers found several smoke-generating devices on the church campus; their intended purpose wasn’t clear.”

By JUDITH KOHLER
Associated Press Writer
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHURCH_SHOOTINGS?SITE=NCAGW&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

How many more would have been victims if the armed security volunteer was not present? How many would have initially been killed if they all carried and concealed?

Also notice how the police arrived and found the criminal dead. How many more would have died if citizens had to wait for the police to defend themselves?

]]> By: Dana http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3653 Dana Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:42:37 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3653 Grace, Thank you so much for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. I think there are too many cultural differences to so quickly relate crime rates in the UAE and USA to gun laws. Switerland has rather liberal gun laws with private gun ownership nearly as high as in the US and they have a much lower murder rate. Most of these crimes occur with weapons which were illegally obtained. And while there may be a chance of lowering the supply with an absolute gun ban, there is still quite a trade across the Mexican border that would not be stopped by this. I do not think most Americans want to live in a society as tightly controlled as that of the Middle East which I think has more to do with the lower crime rates. Crime is punished in different ways, including potential execution for robbery, drugs, homosexuality, apostacy, etc. The nation is also less diverse than the United States. Grace, Thank you so much for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. I think there are too many cultural differences to so quickly relate crime rates in the UAE and USA to gun laws. Switerland has rather liberal gun laws with private gun ownership nearly as high as in the US and they have a much lower murder rate. Most of these crimes occur with weapons which were illegally obtained. And while there may be a chance of lowering the supply with an absolute gun ban, there is still quite a trade across the Mexican border that would not be stopped by this.

I do not think most Americans want to live in a society as tightly controlled as that of the Middle East which I think has more to do with the lower crime rates. Crime is punished in different ways, including potential execution for robbery, drugs, homosexuality, apostacy, etc. The nation is also less diverse than the United States.

]]> By: PCD http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3649 PCD Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:53:23 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3649 Dana, I used to live in Omaha less than 7 miles from Westroads. I asked my eldest if she remembered Omaha as she was 5 when we lived there. She kind of did. I have a co-worker who hasn't been seen since the shooting. Being I write from Dubuque, and one of the victims is from Dubuque with the same family name, I'm thinking they are related. For some reason this bothers me more than, the guy leaving pipe bombs in the mailboxes here, the "Rodney King" riots when I lived in SoCal, and the attack upon the Pentagon in the area I used to go to on the job. Maybe it is because so many are focusing on symptoms, not the cause. Dana,

I used to live in Omaha less than 7 miles from Westroads. I asked my eldest if she remembered Omaha as she was 5 when we lived there. She kind of did.

I have a co-worker who hasn’t been seen since the shooting. Being I write from Dubuque, and one of the victims is from Dubuque with the same family name, I’m thinking they are related.

For some reason this bothers me more than, the guy leaving pipe bombs in the mailboxes here, the “Rodney King” riots when I lived in SoCal, and the attack upon the Pentagon in the area I used to go to on the job.

Maybe it is because so many are focusing on symptoms, not the cause.

]]> By: Grace http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3640 Grace Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:16:38 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3640 Got here from BlogHer. We also do not have a TV in the house and I learned the news online. As long as guns are legal and allowed in the US, tragedies like this will continue to happen. I am living in the Middle East (Dubai) yet I feel safer here. Total gun ban in this country and crime rate is almost zero. I'm glad that you were not there and I pray for those who were victimized. Got here from BlogHer. We also do not have a TV in the house and I learned the news online. As long as guns are legal and allowed in the US, tragedies like this will continue to happen. I am living in the Middle East (Dubai) yet I feel safer here. Total gun ban in this country and crime rate is almost zero.

I’m glad that you were not there and I pray for those who were victimized.

]]> By: Dana http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3627 Dana Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:14:20 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3627 Charity, I think I'll come back to your comment later. I have my own thoughts, but it will be awhile, I think. : ) Shawna, you are right. Interestingly, as I was looking up information last night I found that part of the fuel behind the common school movement in the 1800s was the concern over school violence. Gang behavior was increasing. Violence was a serious problem, especially on the frontier. It was a problem in England. It has always been there. I don't know that it has increased, but modern technology makes it more lethal. And it isn't just guns. Explosives can be made as well. It is a scary world we live in, but I'm not so sure it is that different from previous ages. There are just more of us...and less time between events and learning about them. Jennifer, that is very true. His thoughts on relativity are very relevant...and we like him around here, too. I went to see him speak in KC and got his autograph! Angela, thank you for sharing your thoughts. The families are in my prayers, as well. Including his and the family that was caring for him. Charity, I think I’ll come back to your comment later. I have my own thoughts, but it will be awhile, I think. : )

Shawna, you are right. Interestingly, as I was looking up information last night I found that part of the fuel behind the common school movement in the 1800s was the concern over school violence. Gang behavior was increasing. Violence was a serious problem, especially on the frontier. It was a problem in England.

It has always been there. I don’t know that it has increased, but modern technology makes it more lethal. And it isn’t just guns. Explosives can be made as well. It is a scary world we live in, but I’m not so sure it is that different from previous ages. There are just more of us…and less time between events and learning about them.

Jennifer, that is very true. His thoughts on relativity are very relevant…and we like him around here, too. I went to see him speak in KC and got his autograph!

Angela, thank you for sharing your thoughts. The families are in my prayers, as well. Including his and the family that was caring for him.

]]> By: Angela Maiers http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3625 Angela Maiers Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:41:17 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3625 I had just stopped at the mall the day before on my travels home to Iowa. As I opened the morning paper to read about this terrible tragedy, I made me think of how fragile and precious life is. My heart and prayers go out to the families and loved ones during this holiday season. I had just stopped at the mall the day before on my travels home to Iowa. As I opened the morning paper to read about this terrible tragedy, I made me think of how fragile and precious life is. My heart and prayers go out to the families and loved ones during this holiday season.

]]> By: Jennifer in OR http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/07/thoughts-on-the-westroads-mall-shooting/#comment-3622 Jennifer in OR Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:18:06 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=724#comment-3622 I was thinking of you that day...glad to read this and your thoughts. Very tragic, and there seems to be no end in sight to this kind of horror. I've heard that Ravi Zacharias piece that Jack's Porch mentioned. Ravi speaks often and with great discernment about moral relativity, and certainly that bears on this kind of tragedy. I was thinking of you that day…glad to read this and your thoughts. Very tragic, and there seems to be no end in sight to this kind of horror. I’ve heard that Ravi Zacharias piece that Jack’s Porch mentioned. Ravi speaks often and with great discernment about moral relativity, and certainly that bears on this kind of tragedy.

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