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		<title>By: irene</title>
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		<dc:creator>irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even a vaccination child can catch a disease, vaccination does not = immunity and you can still carry and pass a disease if you are vaccinated...

blaming immigrants makes no sense ...most disease vaccinated for are not deadly and if you take care of your body, and stop blaming other people for your susceptibility or responsibility of your own health, people may begin to understand this.

this illusion that you are protected from disease because of vaccination is sensationalized drama...profitable for doctors and pharms dangerous for you and your children

i traveled to europe many times...i haven't had a vaccine since i was a kid...
most adults do and there aren't deadly epidemics running rampant

measle mumps rubella and polio are not deadly, in the case of polio less than a fraction of one percent get paralytic polio, even smaller percent of that have long term damage...less damage than we are giving to children with all these toxic vaccines....you probably wouldn't know it if you had polio, when the vaccine came out criteria for diagnosis changed and more cases of polio were being diagnosed as menengitis....

in fact i think it was 67' the CDC stated that these disease were common growth milestones for children....now after the vaccine campaign...their evil deadly things

If our children now are being mandated for the mandatory vaccine campagn of 50+ injections, what kind of mandatory campanges will their children be mandated for... over 50% of americans are now on 2 or more medications..and it just happens to be a coincidence that neurological disorder and cancer are one the rise....no...just a coincidence

This has to stop, even if there are people here that think they need this stuff...this mandatory campange must end

IT IS ABSURD TO THINK YOU CAN ERADICATE DISEASE WITH AN INJECTION, that idea is more profitable than realistic.....Disease is a part of life, state of health is the main dictator of how or when you may fall a victim to a disease not an injection....even with a vaccine it's all about the state of your health not about how many vaccines you took...in reality you can't wipe out disease without killing every biological living thing on earth... populations will evolve resistance to disease it's evolutionary dna...the way life exsists...you can inject yourself continuously for any kind of disease or organism and you can sit there and do it everyday...it will not save you, eventually you health will suffer and you will succumb to something.... you can't put blame on people who don't vax for your own human fallability, blaming immigrants is completely ignorant and unfounded realistically...you can't vaccinate for every strain of everything you may or may not be susecpatble for and expect your body to adapt...the nature of life  is contrary to the nature of vaccination...it will backfire...there are already disease that are vaccin-resistant...WHERE DOES THIS FOOLISHNESS END</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even a vaccination child can catch a disease, vaccination does not = immunity and you can still carry and pass a disease if you are vaccinated&#8230;</p>
<p>blaming immigrants makes no sense &#8230;most disease vaccinated for are not deadly and if you take care of your body, and stop blaming other people for your susceptibility or responsibility of your own health, people may begin to understand this.</p>
<p>this illusion that you are protected from disease because of vaccination is sensationalized drama&#8230;profitable for doctors and pharms dangerous for you and your children</p>
<p>i traveled to europe many times&#8230;i haven&#8217;t had a vaccine since i was a kid&#8230;<br />
most adults do and there aren&#8217;t deadly epidemics running rampant</p>
<p>measle mumps rubella and polio are not deadly, in the case of polio less than a fraction of one percent get paralytic polio, even smaller percent of that have long term damage&#8230;less damage than we are giving to children with all these toxic vaccines&#8230;.you probably wouldn&#8217;t know it if you had polio, when the vaccine came out criteria for diagnosis changed and more cases of polio were being diagnosed as menengitis&#8230;.</p>
<p>in fact i think it was 67&#8242; the CDC stated that these disease were common growth milestones for children&#8230;.now after the vaccine campaign&#8230;their evil deadly things</p>
<p>If our children now are being mandated for the mandatory vaccine campagn of 50+ injections, what kind of mandatory campanges will their children be mandated for&#8230; over 50% of americans are now on 2 or more medications..and it just happens to be a coincidence that neurological disorder and cancer are one the rise&#8230;.no&#8230;just a coincidence</p>
<p>This has to stop, even if there are people here that think they need this stuff&#8230;this mandatory campange must end</p>
<p>IT IS ABSURD TO THINK YOU CAN ERADICATE DISEASE WITH AN INJECTION, that idea is more profitable than realistic&#8230;..Disease is a part of life, state of health is the main dictator of how or when you may fall a victim to a disease not an injection&#8230;.even with a vaccine it&#8217;s all about the state of your health not about how many vaccines you took&#8230;in reality you can&#8217;t wipe out disease without killing every biological living thing on earth&#8230; populations will evolve resistance to disease it&#8217;s evolutionary dna&#8230;the way life exsists&#8230;you can inject yourself continuously for any kind of disease or organism and you can sit there and do it everyday&#8230;it will not save you, eventually you health will suffer and you will succumb to something&#8230;. you can&#8217;t put blame on people who don&#8217;t vax for your own human fallability, blaming immigrants is completely ignorant and unfounded realistically&#8230;you can&#8217;t vaccinate for every strain of everything you may or may not be susecpatble for and expect your body to adapt&#8230;the nature of life  is contrary to the nature of vaccination&#8230;it will backfire&#8230;there are already disease that are vaccin-resistant&#8230;WHERE DOES THIS FOOLISHNESS END</p>
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		<title>By: Drugs and Pharmacology, Third Edition &#124; GNIF Brain Blogger</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/10/nj-considering-new-round-of-mandatory-vaccines/#comment-62058</link>
		<dc:creator>Drugs and Pharmacology, Third Edition &#124; GNIF Brain Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/10/nj-considering-new-round-of-mandatory-vaccines/#comment-3656</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad your son is doing well now.  That is frightening, and a large part of why I don't think it should be mandatory.  We have a whole system set up to help with children who have reactions to the vaccines which proves in itself that there are known complications.  To me personally, it is worth the risk for some diseases (especially since none of our children have never had any issues).  But not for other vaccines.

And it should always be between parent and doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad your son is doing well now.  That is frightening, and a large part of why I don&#8217;t think it should be mandatory.  We have a whole system set up to help with children who have reactions to the vaccines which proves in itself that there are known complications.  To me personally, it is worth the risk for some diseases (especially since none of our children have never had any issues).  But not for other vaccines.</p>
<p>And it should always be between parent and doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: Life On The Planet</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/10/nj-considering-new-round-of-mandatory-vaccines/#comment-3654</link>
		<dc:creator>Life On The Planet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before my third child had negative reactions to vaccines I would have said, "What's the big deal?" When your child is the 1% who suffers life long consequences from taking a vaccine, it is a very BIG deal. Vaccinating my child cost us our retirement. Thank God we had it to spend on therapy. Many don't.

So, please, think carefully before supporting any mandatory measures.

P.S. After 8 years of ST, OT and early interventionists, he's just a typical kid. (An above average, brilliant, cute as the dickens, highly lovable kid, but I'm biased!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before my third child had negative reactions to vaccines I would have said, &#8220;What&#8217;s the big deal?&#8221; When your child is the 1% who suffers life long consequences from taking a vaccine, it is a very BIG deal. Vaccinating my child cost us our retirement. Thank God we had it to spend on therapy. Many don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So, please, think carefully before supporting any mandatory measures.</p>
<p>P.S. After 8 years of ST, OT and early interventionists, he&#8217;s just a typical kid. (An above average, brilliant, cute as the dickens, highly lovable kid, but I&#8217;m biased!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I debated how to approach this because I really don't know where most of my readers stand.    I know some people incredibly passionate on both sides of the issue, but I cannot get that worked up.  I think there are some good things about vaccines, even for the ones I personally think are a bit much.  But it needs to be an issue determined between the doctor and the family, and should not be political.

I did Santa last year, Lindsey. : )  It was a little more &lt;a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=334"&gt;tongue in cheek&lt;/a&gt;, though.  Intended to bring a smile, not an argument!  The thing I don't like about him is that he always brings the good gifts.  Why can't he bring the socks?  (We actually don't do Santa, but you aren't going to hear much about that here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I debated how to approach this because I really don&#8217;t know where most of my readers stand.    I know some people incredibly passionate on both sides of the issue, but I cannot get that worked up.  I think there are some good things about vaccines, even for the ones I personally think are a bit much.  But it needs to be an issue determined between the doctor and the family, and should not be political.</p>
<p>I did Santa last year, Lindsey. : )  It was a little more <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/?p=334">tongue in cheek</a>, though.  Intended to bring a smile, not an argument!  The thing I don&#8217;t like about him is that he always brings the good gifts.  Why can&#8217;t he bring the socks?  (We actually don&#8217;t do Santa, but you aren&#8217;t going to hear much about that here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey @ ETJ</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/10/nj-considering-new-round-of-mandatory-vaccines/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsey @ ETJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really do like discussing the hot issues, don't you!  (care to tackle Santa/No Santa next, for me???)

I'm like you. I'm pretty neutral on the whole thing, but I'm not neutral when it comes to WHO gets to decide these things.

Parents are the parents.  Not the state.  They should retain the right to decide if and when their kids get the flu vax or any other vax.

Personally we vax the "biggies" but we don't do the loaded combo vaccines and we do not do the ones like varicella &#38; flu.  I had a child who needed a flu vax every year due to a brain injury (we were told flu could cause her brain to swell significantly).  We did it for 4 years but quit when we got the ok.

I don't mind vaccines, but one thing we all need to remember is that THESE DRUG COMPANIES NOT ONLY CARE ABOUT YOU....THEY'RE SELLING A PRODUCT AND RECORDING A HUGE PROFIT TOO.

I'm not saying they're insensitive and don't want to be leaders in the change of public health for the better.  But in the end, the bottom line is ALWAYS the bottom line.  

More mandatory vax's equal more $$$ in their pockets, baby.  And that is why we have gone from vaccinating "big" things like MMR to things like the flu and chicken pox.

What is next?  A vax for the common cold? I'm all for the anti-politician vaccine.  Great idea :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really do like discussing the hot issues, don&#8217;t you!  (care to tackle Santa/No Santa next, for me???)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m like you. I&#8217;m pretty neutral on the whole thing, but I&#8217;m not neutral when it comes to WHO gets to decide these things.</p>
<p>Parents are the parents.  Not the state.  They should retain the right to decide if and when their kids get the flu vax or any other vax.</p>
<p>Personally we vax the &#8220;biggies&#8221; but we don&#8217;t do the loaded combo vaccines and we do not do the ones like varicella &amp; flu.  I had a child who needed a flu vax every year due to a brain injury (we were told flu could cause her brain to swell significantly).  We did it for 4 years but quit when we got the ok.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind vaccines, but one thing we all need to remember is that THESE DRUG COMPANIES NOT ONLY CARE ABOUT YOU&#8230;.THEY&#8217;RE SELLING A PRODUCT AND RECORDING A HUGE PROFIT TOO.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re insensitive and don&#8217;t want to be leaders in the change of public health for the better.  But in the end, the bottom line is ALWAYS the bottom line.  </p>
<p>More mandatory vax&#8217;s equal more $$$ in their pockets, baby.  And that is why we have gone from vaccinating &#8220;big&#8221; things like MMR to things like the flu and chicken pox.</p>
<p>What is next?  A vax for the common cold? I&#8217;m all for the anti-politician vaccine.  Great idea <img src='http://principleddiscovery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Barb the Evil Genius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb the Evil Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for a rubella vaccine, just because of the pregnancy complications. I'm less definite about flu, but then again, isn't it true that less than 100 years ago the big influenza pandemic killed more people than died in WWI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for a rubella vaccine, just because of the pregnancy complications. I&#8217;m less definite about flu, but then again, isn&#8217;t it true that less than 100 years ago the big influenza pandemic killed more people than died in WWI?</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/12/10/nj-considering-new-round-of-mandatory-vaccines/#comment-3646</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty much a see-saw on the subject.  Three of my kids are vaccinated and 1 is only partially.  

(I used to work in a pediatrician's office and my dad is a doctor, so I am fully informed...believe me)

but frankly, it really comes down to what YOU said.

choice.  

The vaccines that I had my youngest daughter do were the main killing/maming ones.

I'm not to concerned about her getting influenze or varicella.  We're not talking polio. (which once was a horrific problem!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty much a see-saw on the subject.  Three of my kids are vaccinated and 1 is only partially.  </p>
<p>(I used to work in a pediatrician&#8217;s office and my dad is a doctor, so I am fully informed&#8230;believe me)</p>
<p>but frankly, it really comes down to what YOU said.</p>
<p>choice.  </p>
<p>The vaccines that I had my youngest daughter do were the main killing/maming ones.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not to concerned about her getting influenze or varicella.  We&#8217;re not talking polio. (which once was a horrific problem!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Not Quite Crunchy Parent.  Twice. : )  I agree that this gives us an opportunity to really look at the vaccinations and decide what is the best course of action.

Melissa, I do not disagree with you, really.  My children are vaccinated.  But we are continually adding to that, and I sort of draw the line at chicken pox.  Not all of these diseases are that dangerous and debilitating.  Polio?  Definitely.  Rubella?  If you are pregnant.  And many of the vaccinations do not last throughout your lifetime.  In fact, if you get a mild case of chicken pox as a child, you are vulnerable to contracting it again more severely as an adult when it could be more dangerous.

The reason I mentioned a push to eradicate discomfort is because we are adding vaccinations to diseases which are not dangerous like polio.  And then not just making them available which might be advantageous in children who have other issues, but making them mandatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Not Quite Crunchy Parent.  Twice. : )  I agree that this gives us an opportunity to really look at the vaccinations and decide what is the best course of action.</p>
<p>Melissa, I do not disagree with you, really.  My children are vaccinated.  But we are continually adding to that, and I sort of draw the line at chicken pox.  Not all of these diseases are that dangerous and debilitating.  Polio?  Definitely.  Rubella?  If you are pregnant.  And many of the vaccinations do not last throughout your lifetime.  In fact, if you get a mild case of chicken pox as a child, you are vulnerable to contracting it again more severely as an adult when it could be more dangerous.</p>
<p>The reason I mentioned a push to eradicate discomfort is because we are adding vaccinations to diseases which are not dangerous like polio.  And then not just making them available which might be advantageous in children who have other issues, but making them mandatory.</p>
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		<title>By: The Not Quite Crunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Not Quite Crunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good insights. 

The whole vaccine argument is difficult for parents. 

If I lived in a country where almost no one was vaccinated, dangerous diseases would be rampant and I think I would probably RUN to get my child vaccinated. 

Since I live in a country where most ARE vaccinated, the chance of getting one of these diseases is minimal and... I have a choice. The more people who choose not to vaccinate, the more unvaccinated children are vulnerable.

At this moment in history, where most are vaccinated but there is vocal pushback...perhaps the focus of government entities can move from - "get everybody vaccinated...don't worry so much about the few that will have serious side effects"...to a thoughtful and safe vaccination development plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insights. </p>
<p>The whole vaccine argument is difficult for parents. </p>
<p>If I lived in a country where almost no one was vaccinated, dangerous diseases would be rampant and I think I would probably RUN to get my child vaccinated. </p>
<p>Since I live in a country where most ARE vaccinated, the chance of getting one of these diseases is minimal and&#8230; I have a choice. The more people who choose not to vaccinate, the more unvaccinated children are vulnerable.</p>
<p>At this moment in history, where most are vaccinated but there is vocal pushback&#8230;perhaps the focus of government entities can move from - &#8220;get everybody vaccinated&#8230;don&#8217;t worry so much about the few that will have serious side effects&#8221;&#8230;to a thoughtful and safe vaccination development plan.</p>
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