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		<title>By: Suzanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a home school mom who has raised her 3 daughters on home schooling 12 years now. I was raised in a small town public school. I will take PMS over the extremely low expectations and poor socialization of the public schools any day. The greatest thing I have learned is that my family and our faith is the most important thing to teach my children how to become a well-rounded secure successful adult. An adult who knows who they are because they have explored the realms of their own talents without being held back. They are generally not afraid to stand on their own through the trials of life. They can make friends easier, love and respect themselves, their friends, and their family easier. They have seen it.  They have the time to think through their problems and one on one attention is given them from their family and others throughout their childhood. They refer to this to work through the tough stuff in life. They like their parents much unlike their public school counter parts. 

Let&#039;s see by the time I was a freshman in High school in the 80&#039;s I had seen girls go for abortions without their parents knowledge, fellow classmates so drunk or drugged up in the parking lot of my high school they couldn&#039;t function, the educational cheating was rampant and many teachers didn&#039;t have a problem with it, The language Art teacher was having an affair with one of the boys in my class, the Biology teacher flirted with all the girls while his wife was teaching language downstairs, the PE teacher had drinking parties at his apartment and was having sex with my neighbor and fellow classmate, too  many of the kids including me were talking to our parents as though they were the lowest forms of life,,, oh that&#039;s right we were taught to be independent of our parents in school, we learned it well and thought we didn&#039;t need them. WE were told we were to be our own people even though none of us had a clue how because we had been shoved into classrooms or sports programs 9 hours a day with only 1 stressed out adult and only kids our own age,,,every year of our life. Public school is a socialization prison where parents are sentenced to send their kids and told it is best for them. They then take all these kids and force them to learn one ideal logy and their own NEA enforced theology. The only way for many of us to free our kids from this mess is to home school. As it turns out this is the best method my family could have chosen. Our family has families of friends of all ages. Our kids have done every kind of class from gymnastics,, to art,,PE, soccer,,, to caving,, to Theater,, to shooting,, too long to list. My husband and I have fought but we have also resolved and the kids got to see what it looked liked for a family to work out its differences. Wow,, what a shocker in today&#039;s ! PMS,, yep, my GIRLS have seen me learn to control my emotions. You think they will know what to do as they face the same thing? I think so. You see home schooling lets your kids work within the family and the community. That is why so many homeschoolers can go out and face the world&#039;s prejudice against us and be just fine. So any of you considering home schooling out there? You go for it! The first thing you will need to do is throw out public school methodology. Oh,, I have to go,, my 17 year old daughter, who doesn&#039;t smoke, do drugs, have sex, cheat, or graduate without being college ready needs me to review with her &quot;the effects of a catalyst on the decomposition of hydrogen peroxide&quot; Chemistry experiment. This has gotten to be great fun for our family! I hope it is for all of you, too! I love these kids and the other homeschool families we work with!! 

And Tax credits,,, absolutely. We are already saving the American tax payer literally millions. Why not allow us back a little of the thousands we have paid in over the past 12 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a home school mom who has raised her 3 daughters on home schooling 12 years now. I was raised in a small town public school. I will take PMS over the extremely low expectations and poor socialization of the public schools any day. The greatest thing I have learned is that my family and our faith is the most important thing to teach my children how to become a well-rounded secure successful adult. An adult who knows who they are because they have explored the realms of their own talents without being held back. They are generally not afraid to stand on their own through the trials of life. They can make friends easier, love and respect themselves, their friends, and their family easier. They have seen it.  They have the time to think through their problems and one on one attention is given them from their family and others throughout their childhood. They refer to this to work through the tough stuff in life. They like their parents much unlike their public school counter parts. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see by the time I was a freshman in High school in the 80&#8217;s I had seen girls go for abortions without their parents knowledge, fellow classmates so drunk or drugged up in the parking lot of my high school they couldn&#8217;t function, the educational cheating was rampant and many teachers didn&#8217;t have a problem with it, The language Art teacher was having an affair with one of the boys in my class, the Biology teacher flirted with all the girls while his wife was teaching language downstairs, the PE teacher had drinking parties at his apartment and was having sex with my neighbor and fellow classmate, too  many of the kids including me were talking to our parents as though they were the lowest forms of life,,, oh that&#8217;s right we were taught to be independent of our parents in school, we learned it well and thought we didn&#8217;t need them. WE were told we were to be our own people even though none of us had a clue how because we had been shoved into classrooms or sports programs 9 hours a day with only 1 stressed out adult and only kids our own age,,,every year of our life. Public school is a socialization prison where parents are sentenced to send their kids and told it is best for them. They then take all these kids and force them to learn one ideal logy and their own NEA enforced theology. The only way for many of us to free our kids from this mess is to home school. As it turns out this is the best method my family could have chosen. Our family has families of friends of all ages. Our kids have done every kind of class from gymnastics,, to art,,PE, soccer,,, to caving,, to Theater,, to shooting,, too long to list. My husband and I have fought but we have also resolved and the kids got to see what it looked liked for a family to work out its differences. Wow,, what a shocker in today&#8217;s ! PMS,, yep, my GIRLS have seen me learn to control my emotions. You think they will know what to do as they face the same thing? I think so. You see home schooling lets your kids work within the family and the community. That is why so many homeschoolers can go out and face the world&#8217;s prejudice against us and be just fine. So any of you considering home schooling out there? You go for it! The first thing you will need to do is throw out public school methodology. Oh,, I have to go,, my 17 year old daughter, who doesn&#8217;t smoke, do drugs, have sex, cheat, or graduate without being college ready needs me to review with her &#8220;the effects of a catalyst on the decomposition of hydrogen peroxide&#8221; Chemistry experiment. This has gotten to be great fun for our family! I hope it is for all of you, too! I love these kids and the other homeschool families we work with!! </p>
<p>And Tax credits,,, absolutely. We are already saving the American tax payer literally millions. Why not allow us back a little of the thousands we have paid in over the past 12 years!</p>
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		<title>By: Four n' Twenty</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/01/23/mo-looks-at-parental-rights-tax-credits-for-homeschoolers/comment-page-1/#comment-4499</link>
		<dc:creator>Four n' Twenty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this bill passes, we will 99 per cent leave Nebraska. We will take our income and tax paying to another state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this bill passes, we will 99 per cent leave Nebraska. We will take our income and tax paying to another state.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shauna, that is interesting.  I thought they were opposed to that sort of thing...or at least I remember something in one of their articles about homeschoolers not wanting any favors, only independence.  I guess that isn&#039;t exactly the same thing.

I don&#039;t have my mind fully made up.  On the one hand, anything that gives people a little of their own money back is good.  But that comes with strings, which are fine when people consent to them.  But does that mean anything to those that don&#039;t?  And should most people opt to voluntarily take on more restrictions in exchange for a tax credit, will that possibly eventually weaken the independence of those who have chosen not to?

More questions than I have definitive answers for!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shauna, that is interesting.  I thought they were opposed to that sort of thing&#8230;or at least I remember something in one of their articles about homeschoolers not wanting any favors, only independence.  I guess that isn&#8217;t exactly the same thing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have my mind fully made up.  On the one hand, anything that gives people a little of their own money back is good.  But that comes with strings, which are fine when people consent to them.  But does that mean anything to those that don&#8217;t?  And should most people opt to voluntarily take on more restrictions in exchange for a tax credit, will that possibly eventually weaken the independence of those who have chosen not to?</p>
<p>More questions than I have definitive answers for!</p>
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		<title>By: Parental Rights and Responsibilities Parenting Sex and Parenthood &#171; Cocking A Snook!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parental Rights and Responsibilities Parenting Sex and Parenthood &#171; Cocking A Snook!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dana&#8217;s Principled Discovery has a discussion thread going about parental rights including whether and when their own teens become parents, a very broad topic in my policy analyst&#8217;s mind as well as my unschooling mom mind. So I thought I&#8217;d continue the conversation here with my own minds, and with any readers of a mind to, there or here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dana&#8217;s Principled Discovery has a discussion thread going about parental rights including whether and when their own teens become parents, a very broad topic in my policy analyst&#8217;s mind as well as my unschooling mom mind. So I thought I&#8217;d continue the conversation here with my own minds, and with any readers of a mind to, there or here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/01/23/mo-looks-at-parental-rights-tax-credits-for-homeschoolers/comment-page-1/#comment-4447</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, JJRoss.  You are welcome here any time.  I keep meaning to comment over at your place, but I&#039;ve barely been keeping up with my own blog with all the illness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, JJRoss.  You are welcome here any time.  I keep meaning to comment over at your place, but I&#8217;ve barely been keeping up with my own blog with all the illness!</p>
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		<title>By: Shauna</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/01/23/mo-looks-at-parental-rights-tax-credits-for-homeschoolers/comment-page-1/#comment-4445</link>
		<dc:creator>Shauna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the links. I&#039;m still looking into the pros and cons of tax credits for homeschoolers, as a Colorado homeschool Dad has introduced House Bill 1081, which would create three property tax credits for tuition and educational expenses. HSLDA sent out an alert yesterday asking CO homeschoolers to make calls in support of the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links. I&#8217;m still looking into the pros and cons of tax credits for homeschoolers, as a Colorado homeschool Dad has introduced House Bill 1081, which would create three property tax credits for tuition and educational expenses. HSLDA sent out an alert yesterday asking CO homeschoolers to make calls in support of the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another engaging discussion, thanks all. I can&#039;t turn off my own &quot;weird&quot; thoughts on this, because you guys stimulate much worth thinking about. I won&#039;t &quot;inflict&quot; that on you further in this thread, but you&#039;re all more than welcome at Snook anytime, where I will muse on about your provocative comments and then ask myself questions I cannot answer. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another engaging discussion, thanks all. I can&#8217;t turn off my own &#8220;weird&#8221; thoughts on this, because you guys stimulate much worth thinking about. I won&#8217;t &#8220;inflict&#8221; that on you further in this thread, but you&#8217;re all more than welcome at Snook anytime, where I will muse on about your provocative comments and then ask myself questions I cannot answer. <img src='http://principleddiscovery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/01/23/mo-looks-at-parental-rights-tax-credits-for-homeschoolers/comment-page-1/#comment-4442</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all the effects of sex were really inescapable, we wouldn&#039;t face any choices or decisions, would we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all the effects of sex were really inescapable, we wouldn&#8217;t face any choices or decisions, would we?</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think she was saying that is what makes someone a mother, but it was a choice of hers (and his) that made the baby.  Hence motherhood is only forced in the case of rape (and incest, which really is only a particularly perverse kind of rape.)

Abortion isn&#039;t the only alternative.  

Colonizing Mars?  Hmm...interesting tangent.  Do you think they&#039;d be allowed to homeschool?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think she was saying that is what makes someone a mother, but it was a choice of hers (and his) that made the baby.  Hence motherhood is only forced in the case of rape (and incest, which really is only a particularly perverse kind of rape.)</p>
<p>Abortion isn&#8217;t the only alternative.  </p>
<p>Colonizing Mars?  Hmm&#8230;interesting tangent.  Do you think they&#8217;d be allowed to homeschool?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunniemom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunniemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are certain elements of cause and effect that are inescapable. I always wonder why there is such a push to remove the consequences of sexual irresponsibility, but none to remove the repercussions of drug abuse, alcohol abuse, smoking, or just plain stupidity. 

I also wonder why some folks think that unless the population is pastuerized and homogenized, there can be no unity of purpose or cohesive society. All the cool stuff gets invented by nerds and weirdos- get rid of the geek factor, and you can kiss colonizing Mars good-bye! :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certain elements of cause and effect that are inescapable. I always wonder why there is such a push to remove the consequences of sexual irresponsibility, but none to remove the repercussions of drug abuse, alcohol abuse, smoking, or just plain stupidity. </p>
<p>I also wonder why some folks think that unless the population is pastuerized and homogenized, there can be no unity of purpose or cohesive society. All the cool stuff gets invented by nerds and weirdos- get rid of the geek factor, and you can kiss colonizing Mars good-bye! :p</p>
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