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		<title>By: Eric Novak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Novak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your submission to the Homeschool Carnival. You can find your post at http://ericnovak.com/?p=145

Eric Novak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your submission to the Homeschool Carnival. You can find your post at <a href="http://ericnovak.com/?p=145" rel="nofollow">http://ericnovak.com/?p=145</a></p>
<p>Eric Novak</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa @ Me &#38; My House</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/02/11/testing-homeschool-students-has-merit/#comment-84634</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa @ Me &#38; My House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true. 

1. Parents don't need the state requiring them to test their students to know where they stand. We either know, or we will test on our own if, when and where we deem it necessary. We (unlike others?) don't need the state to tell us what to do in order do it. 

2. What evidence are we given that no ps child is falling through the cracks. As a part of society, I really need that assurance. I would never send my child somewhere where they hadn't presented proof that no one ever fell through the cracks. (sarcasticly said - well just the part about me needing assurance about other's children)

3. Many of our children do take test that prove they have not fallen through the cracks. They are called the ACT and SAT. And we've proven that our students do very well on them. (I told our senator that one.)

Alassandra - glad to hear MS's died in committee..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true. </p>
<p>1. Parents don&#8217;t need the state requiring them to test their students to know where they stand. We either know, or we will test on our own if, when and where we deem it necessary. We (unlike others?) don&#8217;t need the state to tell us what to do in order do it. </p>
<p>2. What evidence are we given that no ps child is falling through the cracks. As a part of society, I really need that assurance. I would never send my child somewhere where they hadn&#8217;t presented proof that no one ever fell through the cracks. (sarcasticly said - well just the part about me needing assurance about other&#8217;s children)</p>
<p>3. Many of our children do take test that prove they have not fallen through the cracks. They are called the ACT and SAT. And we&#8217;ve proven that our students do very well on them. (I told our senator that one.)</p>
<p>Alassandra - glad to hear MS&#8217;s died in committee..</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/02/11/testing-homeschool-students-has-merit/#comment-78602</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Texas, these are high stakes tests.  The child doesn't pass if he fails them.  Children get sick before them and all year in the classroom you here, "Will this be on the TAAS?"  They aren't quite like the tests I took in school which had not bearing on anything but that little score we got at the end of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Texas, these are high stakes tests.  The child doesn&#8217;t pass if he fails them.  Children get sick before them and all year in the classroom you here, &#8220;Will this be on the TAAS?&#8221;  They aren&#8217;t quite like the tests I took in school which had not bearing on anything but that little score we got at the end of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawna</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/02/11/testing-homeschool-students-has-merit/#comment-78568</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My statements still stands--none of these tests really matter when students don't even try or take them seriously. 

What difference does it matter where/how the child is schooled? Why can't the politicians see this? Testing is pointless for the purposes it is intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My statements still stands&#8211;none of these tests really matter when students don&#8217;t even try or take them seriously. </p>
<p>What difference does it matter where/how the child is schooled? Why can&#8217;t the politicians see this? Testing is pointless for the purposes it is intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunniemom</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/02/11/testing-homeschool-students-has-merit/#comment-77283</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunniemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK- jsut read this article http://www.texaspolicy.com/commentaries_single.php?report_id=1746

&lt;i&gt;In 2007, a school could be rated “Academically Acceptable” with only 40 percent of students passing science and 45 percent of students passing math. Surely, parents and taxpayers would not consider more than half of Texas school children failing core subjects like math and science as “acceptable.”

Yet, more than half of Texas public schools and three fourths of Texas school districts were rated “Academically Acceptable,” according to the Texas Education Agency.

Residents across the state may be shocked to discover that many of their local schools are not doing a good job teaching the basics, especially in math and science. For example, in Arlington, a mere 53 percent of Morton Elementary School students passed science; 45 percent of Roquemore Elementary students passed science while 56 percent passed math; and only 49 percent of Sam Houston High School students passed science while 57 percent passed math.

In the Austin area, only 47 percent of students passed science at Manor ISD’s Decker Elementary, while 57 percent of students passed math. In nearby Del Valle, only 61 percent of high school students passed science and 52 percent of students passed math.

Residents in Houston’s Alief school district might be surprised to learn that bare majorities of Elsik High School students passed science and math, while only 57 percent of Hastings High School students passed science and a scant 54 percent passed math.

Astonishingly, the state deemed all of these schools “Academically Acceptable.”&lt;/i&gt;

I know this bill is in NE, but I suspect that many school's numbers are high for the same reason as in TX- the standards are so low that a centipede with 99 broken legs could measure up.

So how does the system and standardized testing benefit kids again? 'Cause I done forgetted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK- jsut read this article <a href="http://www.texaspolicy.com/commentaries_single.php?report_id=1746" rel="nofollow">http://www.texaspolicy.com/commentaries_single.php?report_id=1746</a></p>
<p><i>In 2007, a school could be rated “Academically Acceptable” with only 40 percent of students passing science and 45 percent of students passing math. Surely, parents and taxpayers would not consider more than half of Texas school children failing core subjects like math and science as “acceptable.”</p>
<p>Yet, more than half of Texas public schools and three fourths of Texas school districts were rated “Academically Acceptable,” according to the Texas Education Agency.</p>
<p>Residents across the state may be shocked to discover that many of their local schools are not doing a good job teaching the basics, especially in math and science. For example, in Arlington, a mere 53 percent of Morton Elementary School students passed science; 45 percent of Roquemore Elementary students passed science while 56 percent passed math; and only 49 percent of Sam Houston High School students passed science while 57 percent passed math.</p>
<p>In the Austin area, only 47 percent of students passed science at Manor ISD’s Decker Elementary, while 57 percent of students passed math. In nearby Del Valle, only 61 percent of high school students passed science and 52 percent of students passed math.</p>
<p>Residents in Houston’s Alief school district might be surprised to learn that bare majorities of Elsik High School students passed science and math, while only 57 percent of Hastings High School students passed science and a scant 54 percent passed math.</p>
<p>Astonishingly, the state deemed all of these schools “Academically Acceptable.”</i></p>
<p>I know this bill is in NE, but I suspect that many school&#8217;s numbers are high for the same reason as in TX- the standards are so low that a centipede with 99 broken legs could measure up.</p>
<p>So how does the system and standardized testing benefit kids again? &#8216;Cause I done forgetted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Nicklebee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Nicklebee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!  I didn't mean to repeat myself.  But really, can you imagine?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  I didn&#8217;t mean to repeat myself.  But really, can you imagine?  <img src='http://principleddiscovery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Nicklebee</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/02/11/testing-homeschool-students-has-merit/#comment-77234</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Nicklebee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH!  I LOVE the idea of joining the NEA!  Wouldn't that be hysterical?!  How many homeschoolers are there now, about 2 million?  Can you imagine what would happen if 20% of the parents of those kid joined the NEA??  Can you imagine what would happen?

I often wonder about what other people have said.  Why doesn't the public school system worry about their own kids who are failing ~with~ the testing! 

Good post, Dana, even though the bill doesn't exactly apply to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH!  I LOVE the idea of joining the NEA!  Wouldn&#8217;t that be hysterical?!  How many homeschoolers are there now, about 2 million?  Can you imagine what would happen if 20% of the parents of those kid joined the NEA??  Can you imagine what would happen?</p>
<p>I often wonder about what other people have said.  Why doesn&#8217;t the public school system worry about their own kids who are failing ~with~ the testing! </p>
<p>Good post, Dana, even though the bill doesn&#8217;t exactly apply to me.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristineMM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristineMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree what will testing accomplish?

What do the schools do when schooled children don't fare well on testing? They keep on doing the 'same old same old'. Individual children who don't do well compared to their peers are not then given special help. Special education and struggling learners are identified, tested, and labeled via other means.

I have many reasons to be against standardized testing for homeschoolers after having one of my sons tested recently with a battery of tests, all of which contradicted each other and gave different results. It is very scary because I don't know what to believe is accurate or inaccurate. I have so much to say about it I have not yet blogged my experience with that.

Anyhow my issue with testing homeschoolers is that homeschoolers should not be held to a higher standard than schooled students. Schooled kids fall through the cracks all the time but it seems the public wants homeshcoolers to have no gaps or to not even be 'average kids'--they look for all Rhodes Scholars which is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree what will testing accomplish?</p>
<p>What do the schools do when schooled children don&#8217;t fare well on testing? They keep on doing the &#8217;same old same old&#8217;. Individual children who don&#8217;t do well compared to their peers are not then given special help. Special education and struggling learners are identified, tested, and labeled via other means.</p>
<p>I have many reasons to be against standardized testing for homeschoolers after having one of my sons tested recently with a battery of tests, all of which contradicted each other and gave different results. It is very scary because I don&#8217;t know what to believe is accurate or inaccurate. I have so much to say about it I have not yet blogged my experience with that.</p>
<p>Anyhow my issue with testing homeschoolers is that homeschoolers should not be held to a higher standard than schooled students. Schooled kids fall through the cracks all the time but it seems the public wants homeshcoolers to have no gaps or to not even be &#8216;average kids&#8217;&#8211;they look for all Rhodes Scholars which is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Sisterlisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sisterlisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just sounds like another way for someone to get money. We already pay taxes that support gov't schools that we DO NOT use, why try to enforce that we give more? If they're going to force tesintg they should NOT demand payment since we already pay taxes. But to force testing requires that parents force the gov't on our children. Our children are not born to serve our gov't, they have NO right to suggest so by forcing them to comply to their standard.

I'm not raising my children to be able to compete with other countries for advancement of technology. The gov't and schools need to stay out of our families lives. They've done enough damage to our nations children.

by the way, Happy Birthday Dana!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just sounds like another way for someone to get money. We already pay taxes that support gov&#8217;t schools that we DO NOT use, why try to enforce that we give more? If they&#8217;re going to force tesintg they should NOT demand payment since we already pay taxes. But to force testing requires that parents force the gov&#8217;t on our children. Our children are not born to serve our gov&#8217;t, they have NO right to suggest so by forcing them to comply to their standard.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not raising my children to be able to compete with other countries for advancement of technology. The gov&#8217;t and schools need to stay out of our families lives. They&#8217;ve done enough damage to our nations children.</p>
<p>by the way, Happy Birthday Dana!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NEA?  Hypocrisy?  Never!  Actually, they have a lot of arguments against the use of testing as any sort of sorting for students or teachers.  Because it isn't good for teachers.

Actually, if we all had to pay dues to the NEA, I bet they'd change a lot of their public policies.  Maybe we should scrap HSLDA and all take up membership in the NEA.  After all, we are teachers, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NEA?  Hypocrisy?  Never!  Actually, they have a lot of arguments against the use of testing as any sort of sorting for students or teachers.  Because it isn&#8217;t good for teachers.</p>
<p>Actually, if we all had to pay dues to the NEA, I bet they&#8217;d change a lot of their public policies.  Maybe we should scrap HSLDA and all take up membership in the NEA.  After all, we are teachers, too.</p>
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