Comments on: Educating “other people’s children” http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/ If the foundations be destroyed, what shall the righteous do? --Psalm 11:3 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:53:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Even If Jesse Jackson Wins Obama Battle, Youth Wins War of Ideas « Cocking A Snook! http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979882 Even If Jesse Jackson Wins Obama Battle, Youth Wins War of Ideas « Cocking A Snook! Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:48:39 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979882 [...] a related note, Dana at Principled Discovery has been reading about the history of education this summer, and today takes a hard look at the history of homeschooling and its [...] [...] a related note, Dana at Principled Discovery has been reading about the history of education this summer, and today takes a hard look at the history of homeschooling and its [...]

]]> By: Dana http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979850 Dana Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:40:21 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979850 I meant to include this earlier, but you get different perspectives depending on whether you are talking about the Puritans or the Pilgrims. But it seems all of our founding fathers were seeking to expand public education as a means of furthering liberty. I don't think they viewed the American government quite the same way we do. I meant to include this earlier, but you get different perspectives depending on whether you are talking about the Puritans or the Pilgrims. But it seems all of our founding fathers were seeking to expand public education as a means of furthering liberty. I don’t think they viewed the American government quite the same way we do.

]]> By: Renae http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979847 Renae Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:10:30 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979847 <em>Which means that it needs to be as neutral as possible, something that is only possible when it isn’t funding half of the activities of the nation.</em> Too true! I have been thinking about this post since you wrote it. I really want to do some more research about this. Thanks for engaging my brain again. ;) Which means that it needs to be as neutral as possible, something that is only possible when it isn’t funding half of the activities of the nation. Too true!

I have been thinking about this post since you wrote it. I really want to do some more research about this. Thanks for engaging my brain again. ;)

]]> By: Dana http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979785 Dana Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:36:38 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979785 It's a tough one. I believe the problems we are having are due to the general loss of virtue. Laws won't change that. Ideally, I'd like to say "return to true local control." But it only works where the citizenry is responsible. The only real answer is to increase virtue and liberty will increase. It can't be regulated, and to attempt to would only create a tyranny of the right. We both know Christianity cannot be imposed on anyone, nor should it be. Civil government needs to protect the liberties of all, even those with whom we disagree. Which means that it needs to be as neutral as possible, something that is only possible when it isn't funding half of the activities of the nation. It’s a tough one. I believe the problems we are having are due to the general loss of virtue. Laws won’t change that. Ideally, I’d like to say “return to true local control.” But it only works where the citizenry is responsible. The only real answer is to increase virtue and liberty will increase.

It can’t be regulated, and to attempt to would only create a tyranny of the right. We both know Christianity cannot be imposed on anyone, nor should it be. Civil government needs to protect the liberties of all, even those with whom we disagree. Which means that it needs to be as neutral as possible, something that is only possible when it isn’t funding half of the activities of the nation.

]]> By: Lori http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979774 Lori Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:55:53 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979774 Dana - As always you are getting the wheels in my brain turning. In his book RECOVERING THE LOST TOOLS OF LEARNING, Douglas Wilson visited this topic. He basically said that we now find the public schools biased against Christians, but if 51% of Christians "ruled" the schools, we'd be biased against other religions. So what do we do? Retreat from the public schools? Reform them? Try to "take them back?" There isn't such a thing as neutral education. Even if the government were not currently in charge of education, what do we do with other areas that government controls? There is also no such thing as neutral ideas on taxes, neutral ideas on life issues, or neutral ideas on virtually any topic. Our government buildings / memorials testify to the fact that there was a very real Christian presence in America. Do we just ignore that? Do we retreat from government? Should we reform it? How do we do that? To our credit, we welcome people of other faiths allowing them liberty to worship or not worship as they choose without fear of persecution, but have we prevented their un-Christian ideas from infiltrating our own? I'm anxiously awaiting Gai Ferdon's ebook "A Republic if You Can Keep It" to be released. Obviously we haven't kept our Republic INTERNALLY through education and such so do we play by their rules incrementally trying to recover the Republic we once had through external laws(i.e. working for a Federal Marriage Ammendment, federal legislation against abortion,etc.)? We saw similar difficulties arising after the Civil War. We haven't kept the "heart" of the Constitution so do we need to change the "letter" of it or would this just continue the downward spiral? Wondering how you'd solve our problems if you were "in charge," Lori Dana –

As always you are getting the wheels in my brain turning. In his book RECOVERING THE LOST TOOLS OF LEARNING, Douglas Wilson visited this topic. He basically said that we now find the public schools biased against Christians, but if 51% of Christians “ruled” the schools, we’d be biased against other religions. So what do we do? Retreat from the public schools? Reform them? Try to “take them back?”

There isn’t such a thing as neutral education. Even if the government were not currently in charge of education, what do we do with other areas that government controls? There is also no such thing as neutral ideas on taxes, neutral ideas on life issues, or neutral ideas on virtually any topic. Our government buildings / memorials testify to the fact that there was a very real Christian presence in America. Do we just ignore that? Do we retreat from government? Should we reform it? How do we do that?

To our credit, we welcome people of other faiths allowing them liberty to worship or not worship as they choose without fear of persecution, but have we prevented their un-Christian ideas from infiltrating our own? I’m anxiously awaiting Gai Ferdon’s ebook “A Republic if You Can Keep It” to be released. Obviously we haven’t kept our Republic INTERNALLY through education and such so do we play by their rules incrementally trying to recover the Republic we once had through external laws(i.e. working for a Federal Marriage Ammendment, federal legislation against abortion,etc.)? We saw similar difficulties arising after the Civil War. We haven’t kept the “heart” of the Constitution so do we need to change the “letter” of it or would this just continue the downward spiral?

Wondering how you’d solve our problems if you were “in charge,”
Lori

]]> By: Dana http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979670 Dana Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:05:22 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979670 Gee, JJRoss, I wanted to say "subvert." Because if your ideas aren't making it in the political realm, the next best place is the education system. That is why it is such a battle ground, I think. But you are right. In the end, it mostly just perpetuates the system. Gee, JJRoss, I wanted to say “subvert.” Because if your ideas aren’t making it in the political realm, the next best place is the education system. That is why it is such a battle ground, I think.

But you are right. In the end, it mostly just perpetuates the system.

]]> By: JJ Ross http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979653 JJ Ross Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:44:34 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979653 Well, hmmm. Actually the purpose it to perpetuate the system! Not change it. Well, hmmm. Actually the purpose it to perpetuate the system! Not change it.

]]> By: NH http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979645 NH Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:57:33 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979645 Brilliant post! The purpose of public education is to change the political system, nothing more, nothing less. Who would know better than someone who worked in such a system for 35 years? Brilliant post!

The purpose of public education is to change the political system, nothing more, nothing less.

Who would know better than someone who worked in such a system for 35 years?

]]> By: Dana Hanley http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979620 Dana Hanley Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:08:17 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979620 In a provincial sort of way. :) In a provincial sort of way. :)

]]> By: JJ Ross http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/comment-page-1/#comment-979611 JJ Ross Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:36:35 +0000 http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/09/educating-other-peoples-children/#comment-979611 I didn't realize-- between that and your German, you're so cosmopolitan! :) I didn’t realize– between that and your German, you’re so cosmopolitan! :)

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