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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, I agree.  It bugs me that the media seems to like to pick certain "types" of people for their articles, but then at the same time, they are generally the people shouting the loudest and the easiest to get a quote from.  Conveniently shocking enough to get people to read the article, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, I agree.  It bugs me that the media seems to like to pick certain &#8220;types&#8221; of people for their articles, but then at the same time, they are generally the people shouting the loudest and the easiest to get a quote from.  Conveniently shocking enough to get people to read the article, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a wide cross section of society homeschooling, and I think there are a lot of people who just thrive on conflict and confrontation. If they weren't in your face about homeschooling, it would be something else. And no, I don't want them speaking for me (or getting all the credit for homeschooling) either. The movement, if you can call it that, has not been aligned with only one segment of our culture.....though it seems so much easier to color us all with one brush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a wide cross section of society homeschooling, and I think there are a lot of people who just thrive on conflict and confrontation. If they weren&#8217;t in your face about homeschooling, it would be something else. And no, I don&#8217;t want them speaking for me (or getting all the credit for homeschooling) either. The movement, if you can call it that, has not been aligned with only one segment of our culture&#8230;..though it seems so much easier to color us all with one brush.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops...forgot the source attribution for the above quote.  It is available here:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110007966</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops&#8230;forgot the source attribution for the above quote.  It is available here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110007966" rel="nofollow">http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110007966</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hanley</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/14/who-are-the-pioneers-of-the-homeschool-movement/#comment-980042</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one problem with your author's assertions regarding authority seems to be the fact that so many conservatives resist the authority of the government.  I suppose you could argue they are appealing to a higher authority in the Constitution or the Bible, but that doesn't really satisfy me.

If I were to make sweeping generalizations about the differences between conservatives and liberals, it would be that conservatives tend to believe in individual responsibility and some variation of a sin-nature while liberals tend to believe in more social responsibility and in some variation of the perfectability of man through improved socio-economic factors.

Neither philosophy is a result of a moral, intellectual, cultural, mental, etc. defect.  They are simply separate and distinct philosophical stances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one problem with your author&#8217;s assertions regarding authority seems to be the fact that so many conservatives resist the authority of the government.  I suppose you could argue they are appealing to a higher authority in the Constitution or the Bible, but that doesn&#8217;t really satisfy me.</p>
<p>If I were to make sweeping generalizations about the differences between conservatives and liberals, it would be that conservatives tend to believe in individual responsibility and some variation of a sin-nature while liberals tend to believe in more social responsibility and in some variation of the perfectability of man through improved socio-economic factors.</p>
<p>Neither philosophy is a result of a moral, intellectual, cultural, mental, etc. defect.  They are simply separate and distinct philosophical stances.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. James Wilson shares an interesting speech he gave at Harvard that I am more inclined to agree with.

&lt;blockquote&gt;By polarization I mean something else: an intense commitment to a candidate, a culture, or an ideology that sets people in one group definitively apart from people in another, rival group. Such a condition is revealed when a candidate for public office is regarded by a competitor and his supporters not simply as wrong but as corrupt or wicked; when one way of thinking about the world is assumed to be morally superior to any other way; when one set of political beliefs is considered to be entirely correct and a rival set wholly wrong. In extreme form, as defined by Richard Hofstadter in "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (1965), polarization can entail the belief that the other side is in thrall to a secret conspiracy that is using devious means to obtain control over society. Today's versions might go like this: "Liberals employ their dominance of the media, the universities, and Hollywood to enforce a radically secular agenda"; or, "conservatives, working through the religious Right and the big corporations, conspired with their hired neocon advisers to invade Iraq for the sake of oil."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He supports the war in Iraq and would like to see a more united front which seems to be the motivation for the speech, but I think his analysis of the political situation is quite accurate and at least reflects my observations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. James Wilson shares an interesting speech he gave at Harvard that I am more inclined to agree with.</p>
<blockquote><p>By polarization I mean something else: an intense commitment to a candidate, a culture, or an ideology that sets people in one group definitively apart from people in another, rival group. Such a condition is revealed when a candidate for public office is regarded by a competitor and his supporters not simply as wrong but as corrupt or wicked; when one way of thinking about the world is assumed to be morally superior to any other way; when one set of political beliefs is considered to be entirely correct and a rival set wholly wrong. In extreme form, as defined by Richard Hofstadter in &#8220;The Paranoid Style in American Politics&#8221; (1965), polarization can entail the belief that the other side is in thrall to a secret conspiracy that is using devious means to obtain control over society. Today&#8217;s versions might go like this: &#8220;Liberals employ their dominance of the media, the universities, and Hollywood to enforce a radically secular agenda&#8221;; or, &#8220;conservatives, working through the religious Right and the big corporations, conspired with their hired neocon advisers to invade Iraq for the sake of oil.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>He supports the war in Iraq and would like to see a more united front which seems to be the motivation for the speech, but I think his analysis of the political situation is quite accurate and at least reflects my observations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hanley</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/14/who-are-the-pioneers-of-the-homeschool-movement/#comment-980039</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I disagree with your author's description of the conservative mindset.  I think he has fallen for what seems to be a rather typical "framing" of the issue...a basic assumption that something is "wrong" with conservatives and all that is necessary is a little retraining to make us all alright.  I actually find this trend a little disturbing.

It is also here, in a &lt;a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story" rel="nofollow"&gt;flawed research study at UCLA&lt;/a&gt;.  Especially in the interpretation everyone seemed so inclined to jump on...that conservatives just can't handle new ideas.  But a more scientific analysis of the research methods is available &lt;a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDA4NTE3YTRjZWNkNTQwZjg4MmY3MWNmZDdiMTVhZDQ=" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Thomas Frank, in his book "What's the Matter With Kansas?" accuses us of failing to make "certain mental connections about the world."

After the last election, a headline in a British paper read "How can 59 million people be so dumb?"  And, as Denis Boyle's describes in "Superior, Nebraska," 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Over the next days and weeks, the 2004 election would be "analyzed"--to put it gently--by journalists, pundits, and ordinary left-wing types.  Their incredulity blended with hysteria and spread until it was everywhere:  cartoon maps of America with big inland seas of dumbness; Internet rants; sociological studies.  I was on the phone again, this time talking to a New Yorker toiling in the sweatshops of the global lit biz.  I mentioned the 59-million-dumb-people headline.

"Yes," she enthusiastically agreed, "that's what I'd like to know.  Really, the only reason I can think of that all those people out there vote like they do is that they're dumb.  Can there be another reason?  Isn't what it comes down to is that they're just stupid?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;  (p. 15)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I disagree with your author&#8217;s description of the conservative mindset.  I think he has fallen for what seems to be a rather typical &#8220;framing&#8221; of the issue&#8230;a basic assumption that something is &#8220;wrong&#8221; with conservatives and all that is necessary is a little retraining to make us all alright.  I actually find this trend a little disturbing.</p>
<p>It is also here, in a <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story" rel="nofollow">flawed research study at UCLA</a>.  Especially in the interpretation everyone seemed so inclined to jump on&#8230;that conservatives just can&#8217;t handle new ideas.  But a more scientific analysis of the research methods is available <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDA4NTE3YTRjZWNkNTQwZjg4MmY3MWNmZDdiMTVhZDQ=" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Thomas Frank, in his book &#8220;What&#8217;s the Matter With Kansas?&#8221; accuses us of failing to make &#8220;certain mental connections about the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the last election, a headline in a British paper read &#8220;How can 59 million people be so dumb?&#8221;  And, as Denis Boyle&#8217;s describes in &#8220;Superior, Nebraska,&#8221; </p>
<blockquote><p>Over the next days and weeks, the 2004 election would be &#8220;analyzed&#8221;&#8211;to put it gently&#8211;by journalists, pundits, and ordinary left-wing types.  Their incredulity blended with hysteria and spread until it was everywhere:  cartoon maps of America with big inland seas of dumbness; Internet rants; sociological studies.  I was on the phone again, this time talking to a New Yorker toiling in the sweatshops of the global lit biz.  I mentioned the 59-million-dumb-people headline.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes,&#8221; she enthusiastically agreed, &#8220;that&#8217;s what I&#8217;d like to know.  Really, the only reason I can think of that all those people out there vote like they do is that they&#8217;re dumb.  Can there be another reason?  Isn&#8217;t what it comes down to is that they&#8217;re just stupid?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>  (p. 15)</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I could still edit comments, but hopefully this will work this time:

&lt;a href="http://cockingasnook.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/ye-olde-deluder-satan-wants-our-kids/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ye Olde Deluder Satan Wants Our Kids&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I could still edit comments, but hopefully this will work this time:</p>
<p><a href="http://cockingasnook.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/ye-olde-deluder-satan-wants-our-kids/" rel="nofollow">Ye Olde Deluder Satan Wants Our Kids</a></p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - try &#60;a href="http://cockingasnook.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/ye-olde-deluder-satan-wants-our-kids/"Ye Olde Deluder Satan Wants Our Kids"&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry - try &lt;a href=&#8221;http://cockingasnook.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/ye-olde-deluder-satan-wants-our-kids/&#8221;Ye Olde Deluder Satan Wants Our Kids&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/07/14/who-are-the-pioneers-of-the-homeschool-movement/#comment-980023</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an earlier blogpost, another example of this strict father authority meme in both school and homeschool history?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#60;a href=""Ye Olde Deluder Satan Wants Our Kids"&lt;/a&gt;
. . .PUBLIC schooling 350 years ago was about driving away demons too, and mostly still is, or should be.

Here are the five home education demons Christian Blogger Dad lists, last to first.
Arrogance.
Lack of commitment.
Denial of reality
Lack of accountability
Not enough structure

Compare to the six public education demons listed in the [public education honors journal] PDK February 07 issue, by professor James H. Nehring:

Unfairness
Lack of commitment (saying yes too much)
Denial of innovations
Top down controls
Too much fear
Too much structure and factory thinking

Sounds to me like Satan and his demons make use of whatever they find lying around, so there’s little hope of salvation in switching places. . .&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an earlier blogpost, another example of this strict father authority meme in both school and homeschool history?</p>
<blockquote><p>&lt;a href=&#8221;"Ye Olde Deluder Satan Wants Our Kids&#8221;<br />
. . .PUBLIC schooling 350 years ago was about driving away demons too, and mostly still is, or should be.</p>
<p>Here are the five home education demons Christian Blogger Dad lists, last to first.<br />
Arrogance.<br />
Lack of commitment.<br />
Denial of reality<br />
Lack of accountability<br />
Not enough structure</p>
<p>Compare to the six public education demons listed in the [public education honors journal] PDK February 07 issue, by professor James H. Nehring:</p>
<p>Unfairness<br />
Lack of commitment (saying yes too much)<br />
Denial of innovations<br />
Top down controls<br />
Too much fear<br />
Too much structure and factory thinking</p>
<p>Sounds to me like Satan and his demons make use of whatever they find lying around, so there’s little hope of salvation in switching places. . .</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's another approach --

In several threads we're discussing cognitive science and how the "framing" of political ideas can literally change our minds and our brains, what we're able to think and see or not.  This applies to home education framing too, in our own minds and in the public mind.

I've almost finished &lt;a href="http://cockingasnook.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/they-picked-a-good-day-to-publish-brain-frames-book/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this new book&lt;/a&gt; in which we learn that "empathy" is a physical, neuron-based reality inside human brains that is inseparably wired to our rational "reasoning" -- yet because we didn't discover that until the last decade or so, human empathy is framed out of our political ideas and analysis in favor of facts, numbers, budget and balance sheets, etc.    

The author's main point, I think, is that we each need to take charge of our own thinking by learning about how it really works, make frames explicit so we can learn to avoid falling into various frame traps that otherwise will subconsciously drive our political opinions without license. 

Last night I read that the One Big Frame subconsciously interfering with our clear thinking on every issue is "obedience to authority" and respect for the immutable moral pecking order, or what he calls "strict father" framing.  

He explains that politically conservative brains generally, tend to connect every issue to the narrative of making people work hard, submit unquestioningly not just to "discipline" but even to suffering and painful punishment that's "good for them" so they can be righteously taught and trained, and eventually earn some freedom and prosperity for their obedience to authority and dutiful service.

Even the Constitution itself requires "strictness" in this frame of mind!  
Also, doesn't it explain a whole lot about Historical School?? . . .and it probably explains most of the muddle about homeschool history. It seems pretty clear that there were competing frames of thought about everything that happened!

"Obedience to authority" was the mainframe when we started homeschooling in Florida -- there was only one statewide group you were told to join and it "governed" homeschool parents like the PTA only worse, almost as if it were a state agency, rule-based with elected officers and a handbook, imposing penalties and rewards to shape behavior, judging and recording relative compliance so the "bad apples" could be weeded out before they hurt the rest of us, etc.  Heck, they weren't bravely standing up to the system, they WERE the system! 

I questioned everything and everyone (becoming the skunk at plenty of park days and legislative strategy planning sessions) and kept thinking about it myself. It still seems literally crazy to me, to work this hard for each family's unfettered diverse choices, and then to replace the school board with the homeschool board, so to speak . . .maybe framing really does explain a lot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another approach &#8211;</p>
<p>In several threads we&#8217;re discussing cognitive science and how the &#8220;framing&#8221; of political ideas can literally change our minds and our brains, what we&#8217;re able to think and see or not.  This applies to home education framing too, in our own minds and in the public mind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve almost finished <a href="http://cockingasnook.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/they-picked-a-good-day-to-publish-brain-frames-book/" rel="nofollow">this new book</a> in which we learn that &#8220;empathy&#8221; is a physical, neuron-based reality inside human brains that is inseparably wired to our rational &#8220;reasoning&#8221; &#8212; yet because we didn&#8217;t discover that until the last decade or so, human empathy is framed out of our political ideas and analysis in favor of facts, numbers, budget and balance sheets, etc.    </p>
<p>The author&#8217;s main point, I think, is that we each need to take charge of our own thinking by learning about how it really works, make frames explicit so we can learn to avoid falling into various frame traps that otherwise will subconsciously drive our political opinions without license. </p>
<p>Last night I read that the One Big Frame subconsciously interfering with our clear thinking on every issue is &#8220;obedience to authority&#8221; and respect for the immutable moral pecking order, or what he calls &#8220;strict father&#8221; framing.  </p>
<p>He explains that politically conservative brains generally, tend to connect every issue to the narrative of making people work hard, submit unquestioningly not just to &#8220;discipline&#8221; but even to suffering and painful punishment that&#8217;s &#8220;good for them&#8221; so they can be righteously taught and trained, and eventually earn some freedom and prosperity for their obedience to authority and dutiful service.</p>
<p>Even the Constitution itself requires &#8220;strictness&#8221; in this frame of mind!<br />
Also, doesn&#8217;t it explain a whole lot about Historical School?? . . .and it probably explains most of the muddle about homeschool history. It seems pretty clear that there were competing frames of thought about everything that happened!</p>
<p>&#8220;Obedience to authority&#8221; was the mainframe when we started homeschooling in Florida &#8212; there was only one statewide group you were told to join and it &#8220;governed&#8221; homeschool parents like the PTA only worse, almost as if it were a state agency, rule-based with elected officers and a handbook, imposing penalties and rewards to shape behavior, judging and recording relative compliance so the &#8220;bad apples&#8221; could be weeded out before they hurt the rest of us, etc.  Heck, they weren&#8217;t bravely standing up to the system, they WERE the system! </p>
<p>I questioned everything and everyone (becoming the skunk at plenty of park days and legislative strategy planning sessions) and kept thinking about it myself. It still seems literally crazy to me, to work this hard for each family&#8217;s unfettered diverse choices, and then to replace the school board with the homeschool board, so to speak . . .maybe framing really does explain a lot?</p>
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