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		<title>By: Principled Discovery Good news for California homeschoolers &#124; garden statues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Principled Discovery Good news for California homeschoolers &#124; garden statues</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Principled Discovery Good news for California homeschoolers   Posted by root 6 minutes ago (http://principleddiscovery.com)        The california court of appeals ruled unanimously in favor of homeschoolers earlier today we will conclude that 1 california statutes permit home schooling as a leave a comment name required wordpress sandbox middot conservative forum conservative news an        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; Principled Discovery Good news for California homeschoolers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Principled Discovery Good news for California homeschoolers   Posted by root 6 minutes ago (<a href="http://principleddiscovery.com" rel="nofollow">http://principleddiscovery.com</a>)        The california court of appeals ruled unanimously in favor of homeschoolers earlier today we will conclude that 1 california statutes permit home schooling as a leave a comment name required wordpress sandbox middot conservative forum conservative news an        Discuss&nbsp;  |&nbsp; Bury |&nbsp;    News | Principled Discovery Good news for California homeschoolers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Principled Discovery &#187; HST Notes, California, the Olympics, homeschoolers at school and the gifted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Principled Discovery &#187; HST Notes, California, the Olympics, homeschoolers at school and the gifted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] actually popped up in my feedreader from OneNewsNow, a conservative Christian news site.  After summarizing the case, I focused on the closing paragraph of their report. Farris says groups like the Alliance Defense [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] actually popped up in my feedreader from OneNewsNow, a conservative Christian news site.  After summarizing the case, I focused on the closing paragraph of their report. Farris says groups like the Alliance Defense [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, in postmodern society &#039;abuse&#039; is in the eye of the beholder. The California Teachers Association will likely continue to insist that any education of minors that does not fall under the CTAs control constitutes abuse...and we are all currently witness to the relentless efforts that the more &#039;tolerant&#039; crowd will go to in order to re-define a word.
Thanks for the excerpts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, in postmodern society &#8216;abuse&#8217; is in the eye of the beholder. The California Teachers Association will likely continue to insist that any education of minors that does not fall under the CTAs control constitutes abuse&#8230;and we are all currently witness to the relentless efforts that the more &#8216;tolerant&#8217; crowd will go to in order to re-define a word.<br />
Thanks for the excerpts.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t abuse my children unless you call spanking abuse.&quot;

Phillip&#039;s own children documented a long history that went way beyond simple spanking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t abuse my children unless you call spanking abuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Phillip&#8217;s own children documented a long history that went way beyond simple spanking.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I understand that.  Hypothetically, once the state has placed a child in foster care, the child should be in a safe environment, but unfortunately, CPS doesn&#039;t seem to have a good record with that.

I don&#039;t know...they are wards of the state so a foster family&#039;s choices are limited, even if homeschooling would be best for the child.  I don&#039;t know how other states do it, but a foster family can legally homeschool a child here in NE, but since the parents retain educational rights until parental rights are terminated, they can only do so with the approval of the biological family.  I don&#039;t think it is a common situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I understand that.  Hypothetically, once the state has placed a child in foster care, the child should be in a safe environment, but unfortunately, CPS doesn&#8217;t seem to have a good record with that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know&#8230;they are wards of the state so a foster family&#8217;s choices are limited, even if homeschooling would be best for the child.  I don&#8217;t know how other states do it, but a foster family can legally homeschool a child here in NE, but since the parents retain educational rights until parental rights are terminated, they can only do so with the approval of the biological family.  I don&#8217;t think it is a common situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if you have abused your children, you lose some rights.  The state, in my view, needs some form of probable cause and in this case, they seemed to have it. &lt;/i&gt;

I understand and agree with what you&#039;re saying from a natural family angle.  
But, what about homeschoolers who are serving as foster parents/potential adoptive parents. Many can&#039;t homeschool because the State is in charge of those abused children and the State has decided they can&#039;t be homeschooled.  That&#039;s when more and more laws about child abuse tend to hem kids into a bureaucracy and non-nurturing environment per standardization.
How many times could hurting children be helped by home education? But it&#039;s not permitted in many states, because of the State status quo for those hurting the most.
I was just thinking about a different angle than this CA situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if you have abused your children, you lose some rights.  The state, in my view, needs some form of probable cause and in this case, they seemed to have it. </i></p>
<p>I understand and agree with what you&#8217;re saying from a natural family angle.<br />
But, what about homeschoolers who are serving as foster parents/potential adoptive parents. Many can&#8217;t homeschool because the State is in charge of those abused children and the State has decided they can&#8217;t be homeschooled.  That&#8217;s when more and more laws about child abuse tend to hem kids into a bureaucracy and non-nurturing environment per standardization.<br />
How many times could hurting children be helped by home education? But it&#8217;s not permitted in many states, because of the State status quo for those hurting the most.<br />
I was just thinking about a different angle than this CA situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Jennifer.  It isn&#039;t reasonable (and sort of hurts homeschoolers in general) to try to argue that you have an absolute right to homeschool, regardless of abuse issues.

Thank you for adding your side, Phillip.  I don&#039;t pretend to know anything more than what was in the court documents, but it seems to me that pulling children by their hair and failing to protect children from a sexual predator goes beyond spanking.  If these things did not happen, then I&#039;m sorry this is all happening.

Without knowing you or your family personally, I can&#039;t possibly judge whether or not the initial case is problematic.  I can only say that I agree with the court that in cases of sustained abuse, the state can and should intervene to protect a child.  And in some situations, that may not mean loss of custody, but greater monitoring, as through forced schooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jennifer.  It isn&#8217;t reasonable (and sort of hurts homeschoolers in general) to try to argue that you have an absolute right to homeschool, regardless of abuse issues.</p>
<p>Thank you for adding your side, Phillip.  I don&#8217;t pretend to know anything more than what was in the court documents, but it seems to me that pulling children by their hair and failing to protect children from a sexual predator goes beyond spanking.  If these things did not happen, then I&#8217;m sorry this is all happening.</p>
<p>Without knowing you or your family personally, I can&#8217;t possibly judge whether or not the initial case is problematic.  I can only say that I agree with the court that in cases of sustained abuse, the state can and should intervene to protect a child.  And in some situations, that may not mean loss of custody, but greater monitoring, as through forced schooling.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me tell you something Dana and Jennifer,  This whole case was B.S. There was no abuse. I don&#039;t abuse my children unless you call spanking abuse. Almost every thing about this case was a fairy tail. The courts are corrupt and create  Lies and then make their rulings on the lies they created. I hope you never find yourself a victim of the juvenile court system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell you something Dana and Jennifer,  This whole case was B.S. There was no abuse. I don&#8217;t abuse my children unless you call spanking abuse. Almost every thing about this case was a fairy tail. The courts are corrupt and create  Lies and then make their rulings on the lies they created. I hope you never find yourself a victim of the juvenile court system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer in OR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer in OR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news!! I agree, abuse, with probable cause, should lose you some rights. I&#039;ve seen some people trying to argue for homeschooling in this weird, legalistic, zealous way, as if no matter what, it&#039;s their right. If you abuse your child (a history of prolonged abuse), you shouldn&#039;t be allowed to homeschool, or parent, for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news!! I agree, abuse, with probable cause, should lose you some rights. I&#8217;ve seen some people trying to argue for homeschooling in this weird, legalistic, zealous way, as if no matter what, it&#8217;s their right. If you abuse your child (a history of prolonged abuse), you shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to homeschool, or parent, for that matter.</p>
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