An interesting story popped up in my Google alert for homeschool, although it has nothing to do with homeschooling. Still, it is an interesting look at the difficulties experienced by some immigrant communities and raises a lot of questions for me regarding the whole assimilation process, how immigrant families are instructed in American values and what the idea of American culture and values even means.
Over 100,000 evangelical Christians from the former Soviet Union live in the Portland area and the older generation is increasingly clashing with the younger. In the Soviet Union, they were fined, jailed and put in mental asylums so the community learned to exist by isolating itself. This has also been an interesting part of the ongoing homeschooling story in Germany as one of the stories to really gain a great deal of international attention involves the so-called “Paderborner Baptists,” an ethnically German group which had relocated back to Germany after the fall of the Soviet Union. They rejected the values they saw in the schools, isolated themselves and began to homeschool. They also resisted the state’s pressure on them, and some speculated that the resulting standoff had less to do with religion and homeschooling than it did with a community that had continued to exist by resisting Soviet oppression.
Here in the US, however, we do not have that kind of pressure. Certainly there is a form of pressure put on immigrant families and their children, but it is of a different kind. More subtle, not forceful, but still felt. Some members of the community have responeded by withdrawing into their community, refusing to learn English and by maintaing their “old ways” as best they can. But in the process, some fear they are losing their children.
The story focuses on Mariya and her family who immigrated here 6 years ago. She feels helpless as she watches her children stray from her values and reject their heritage.
In Ukraine, she says, she never had trouble with her children. Now they refuse to go to church or eat the Ukranian food she prepares. They tell Mariya they will call the police if she disciplines them. “I have no more hope that anything will change for the better,” she says. “In this society, you basically have to do what your kids say.” OregonLive.com
A pastor gives some additional insight:
“Parents think that if their kids get involved in American things, it’s desertion,” Faith Community Church Pastor Robert Rathburn says. “It’s like corruption of their Russian or Ukranian culture and religion.” Ibid.
Throughout the article, “American culture” is seen as pulling these children away from their parents, drawing them into our way of life and away from their parents. Even the title, “Slavic parents lose control of their Americanizing kids” implies as much. The sad thing is, however, the behaviors raising concern are not part of “American culture.” The article leads off with an example.
Mariya calls her children’s schools almost daily, or comes to school crying. Her three teenage sons smoke and drink, even in front of Mariya and her husband. They go out at night, don’t return home until morning and sometimes disappear for days. Her oldest dropped out of high school last year; another son did the same a few months ago. Her preteen daughter ran away from home. Ibid.
Drinking, drugs and running away certainly exist among American youth, but most of us who have been born and raised here would be horrified to see this kind of behavior in our children, and would also arrive at meetings with the school in tears. It is shocking, and the parents feel completely powerless.
Later on in the story, we see a glimpse of the real problem. The parents do not discipline their kids. Back home, they spanked. With a belt. Here, parents fear losing their children if they use this sort of discipline and they seem at a loss for any other way to raise their children.
It is a difficult situation for all involved. Perhaps when social workers receive reports arising out of these situations, some consideration needs to be taken for the culture they are coming from. What we see as abusive, many of these families see as normal child rearing. Education and assistance is needed more than splitting up families.
It makes me wonder exactly what they have been told. Here in Lincoln, Catholic Social Servies helps to introduce refugees to American culture, teaching them a little of what to expect and specifically outlining parenting practices common in some of their native cultures which can lead to CPS involvement here in America.
In the immigrant population I worked with for a short time, I saw a lot of the same kinds of problems expressed in this article. I don’t know specifically what they were told when they arrived, nor how they parented in teh refugee camp in the Middle East where they lived before coming here, but I was shocked at how much control children had over their parents and how parents were reluctant to even say “no,” let alone offer consequences for misbehavior. And they also blamed American culture for seducing their children from their way of life.
But is American culture really to blame? Somewhere along the line, someone did their job informing these immigrants that certain discipline techniques will bring the state into your home and possibly lead to your children being removed. But it seems that something that is perhaps lacking is someone to teach them that there are other ways of setting and maintaining boundaries. That even in America, we don’t allow our children to control us. And that when our children make bad decisions involving underage drinking, drug use, gang behavior and even theft, we too are devastated.
Instead, they live in fear of their own children calling CPS or the police, and end up covering up the crimies of their children out of fear of the stigma from friends in their community and what will happen if the police get involved.







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That even in America, we don’t allow our children to control us. Hopefully not, but it seems common for children to manipulate their parents. I know I did.
Do you think there is a difference between control and discipline? In my mind, control is more external, and that will not be enough to help a child resist what is harmful in society. Discipline implies heart training to me, because the root is discipleship.
My goal isn’t to control my children, but to teach them to control themselves. Living in fear would definitely affect that process though.
Renae, I agree. And I think it is pretty normal for children to use what works to manipulate their parents. If it is “But everyone else’s parents let them!” then that is what they use. This is just so sad, because it seems at least from the article that these parents don’t know any other way.
Suburbandcorrespondent, it is pretty easy.
Just go here:
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And fill out the fields and you will begin getting updates in your email with links to articles containing those terms.
I agree with a lot of what Dana has written; however, I *DO* think that much of modern American culture has a negative influence on teens. Just look at the glamorization of casual sex, smoking, alcohol abuse, materialism, etc. in the media aimed at young people. And it’s so hard these days to shield our children from their toxic influence because it’s just about everywhere. Just this morning a city bus drove by our car with a huge advertisement on the side for the new album of the “Pussycat Dolls” burlesque troupe featuring the members striking highly provocative poses dressed in lingerie :-0
Some days I get so tempted just to pack our family up and move to a cabin in the wilderness somewhere…
That is true. And a lot of that comes because the one segment of the population with the most disposable income is teenagers, hence heavy marketing to them. And what do they want? Independence and “cool.” Which generally has little to do with what parents say.
But other than the amount of money put into it, I don’t know how uniquely American it is for teenagers to draw away from their parents.
I felt bad at how helpless these parents feel, but the issues raised are serious and well beyond declining Ukrainian foods and enjoying American movies. Their behavior is well outside the norm, and interestingly, their model appears to be the Russian mafia. So they have brought a little of “home” to American shores.
Interesting post!
I have to say that my experience as a teacher and even a parent reconciles a bit with these immigrant families–I do see it as part of American Youth Culture. I have written about and do believe that we have become a culture that has placed our children on pedestals… and they know it and often take advantage of it.
I taught in a primarily Jewish District (not that it matters–just to paint the picture) and many kids, usually troubled (getting back to your better points) knew that they had their parents over a barrel and could call CPS or go to school counselors when they were punished in away that they felt slighted.
My son had a friend (this was when they were in early elementary school) whom mouthed off to mom fairly badly when mom was trying to get her up for school one morning and mom reacted by with a slap across the mouth for it. This left a mark for a couple of hours and the school called the authorities and charges were pressed… and eventually dropped when the Judge heard what words came from the young girl’s mouth.
These kids know that parents do not want the problems of CPS and so some of them exploit that. Now the young girl above didn’t know mom would get in trouble–but she learned real quick in that instance, however most of the older kids do know… in fact, they used to talk about it, laugh about it in their small groups… and this was an affluent campus with good families and involved parents.
I can only imagine what immigrant children are learning from these American children… and then what these immigrant children are telling mom and dad, whom rely on their children to help decipher this new world, this new culture.
I don’t know, but I like your idea of informing the immigrant parents of new discipline techniques… maybe the churches could do that, as many immigrants will try to find a church of their faith and cultural background for familiarity and community.