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		<title>By: marj aka thriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>marj aka thriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a difficult topic.  Thanks for having the courage to hold the discussion.  Thank you, also, for submitting this for THE BLOG CARNIVAL AGAINST CHILD ABUSE.  I&#039;ve included this post in our holiday edition, which is now up at my blog.  I hope you will enter more thought-provoking posts to the carnival in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a difficult topic.  Thanks for having the courage to hold the discussion.  Thank you, also, for submitting this for THE BLOG CARNIVAL AGAINST CHILD ABUSE.  I&#8217;ve included this post in our holiday edition, which is now up at my blog.  I hope you will enter more thought-provoking posts to the carnival in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: tianna Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>tianna Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my husband and i are looking to adopt a newborn baby, wonder what all is required we are not picky about race etc....we just want a newborn baby!  any advice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my husband and i are looking to adopt a newborn baby, wonder what all is required we are not picky about race etc&#8230;.we just want a newborn baby!  any advice!</p>
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		<title>By: The BoBo Carnival of Politics - November 23, 2008 Edition &#124; Driving the Left Loony -The Bobo Files</title>
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		<dc:creator>The BoBo Carnival of Politics - November 23, 2008 Edition &#124; Driving the Left Loony -The Bobo Files</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Nebraska’s safe haven law posted at Principled [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The BoBo Carnival of Politics - November 23, 2008 Edition &#124; The BoBo Files</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/17/nebraskas-safe-haven-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1027658</link>
		<dc:creator>The BoBo Carnival of Politics - November 23, 2008 Edition &#124; The BoBo Files</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Nebraska’s safe haven law posted at Principled [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Milehimama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milehimama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with this.  What is a parent to do if doctors won&#039;t help, and there are no resources?  Child mental health is a woefully understaffed specialty.  Waits can be 6 mos- 1 year just for an initial evaluation, and many pediatric psych doctors do not accept insurance (they don&#039;t HAVE to, there are no shortage of desperate clients willing to pay cash).

Instead of thinking the law is &quot;broken&quot;, it is the families who are &quot;broken&quot;.  Who&#039;s helping them?  Where is the support when the school calls Mom away from work, jeopardizing her job, because Junior is out of control, again?  Who&#039;s supporting Dad when the daughter&#039;s prescription causes hallucination and induces mania?  

It is well nigh impossible to find any sort of child care if your child has emotional problems.  There is no help.  There is no respite.  No wonder the parents have reached the breaking point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with this.  What is a parent to do if doctors won&#8217;t help, and there are no resources?  Child mental health is a woefully understaffed specialty.  Waits can be 6 mos- 1 year just for an initial evaluation, and many pediatric psych doctors do not accept insurance (they don&#8217;t HAVE to, there are no shortage of desperate clients willing to pay cash).</p>
<p>Instead of thinking the law is &#8220;broken&#8221;, it is the families who are &#8220;broken&#8221;.  Who&#8217;s helping them?  Where is the support when the school calls Mom away from work, jeopardizing her job, because Junior is out of control, again?  Who&#8217;s supporting Dad when the daughter&#8217;s prescription causes hallucination and induces mania?  </p>
<p>It is well nigh impossible to find any sort of child care if your child has emotional problems.  There is no help.  There is no respite.  No wonder the parents have reached the breaking point.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Holzmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Holzmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real (heart) issues are so much more important. You are absolutely right. And this is also why coming up with a response to this is so difficult: We&#039;re dealing with fundamental questions of really helping, encouraging, and changing people&#039;s lives. And we don&#039;t know how to do that.

 ~Luke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real (heart) issues are so much more important. You are absolutely right. And this is also why coming up with a response to this is so difficult: We&#8217;re dealing with fundamental questions of really helping, encouraging, and changing people&#8217;s lives. And we don&#8217;t know how to do that.</p>
<p> ~Luke</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it should ideally come from community, too.  And we do have some excellent programs, but they can only reach those willing to ask or who know where to find them.  And they are limited in how many they can handle.  Maybe it is because I&#039;m pregnant, but I was moved to tears by the testimony of a woman touched by one of the city ministries our church supports.  She came for the free stuff for her kids and kept coming and learned to take responsibility while being given financial and emotional support.  They&#039;re moving out of government housing and off welfare into their first apartment and you could just see how excited she and her kids were.

Government programs cannot do that.  We need people, like those who volunteer to be friends to adults with disabilities or take on other roles normally taken on by families who just aren&#039;t in the picture in a lot of these situations.  But if it isn&#039;t forthcoming?  

But simply removing programs will not make the private sector suddenly come up with solutions.  The government moved in to a lot of these situations because serious problems were not being handled.  But we are spending a great deal of money on existing programs which aren&#039;t working.  It would be nice by taking a closer look at how that could be better spent, how we can truly protect children and how we can preserve families as often as possible.

That Landry is annoying.  He is quoted throughout these articles, and always seems completely insensitive, even making inappropriate jokes about attracting tourism.  That is the attitude of HHS around here.  The parent (and the foster parent, for that matter) is the enemy.

And we take away a lot of kids.  More than most states and that is right here in America&#039;s heartland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it should ideally come from community, too.  And we do have some excellent programs, but they can only reach those willing to ask or who know where to find them.  And they are limited in how many they can handle.  Maybe it is because I&#8217;m pregnant, but I was moved to tears by the testimony of a woman touched by one of the city ministries our church supports.  She came for the free stuff for her kids and kept coming and learned to take responsibility while being given financial and emotional support.  They&#8217;re moving out of government housing and off welfare into their first apartment and you could just see how excited she and her kids were.</p>
<p>Government programs cannot do that.  We need people, like those who volunteer to be friends to adults with disabilities or take on other roles normally taken on by families who just aren&#8217;t in the picture in a lot of these situations.  But if it isn&#8217;t forthcoming?  </p>
<p>But simply removing programs will not make the private sector suddenly come up with solutions.  The government moved in to a lot of these situations because serious problems were not being handled.  But we are spending a great deal of money on existing programs which aren&#8217;t working.  It would be nice by taking a closer look at how that could be better spent, how we can truly protect children and how we can preserve families as often as possible.</p>
<p>That Landry is annoying.  He is quoted throughout these articles, and always seems completely insensitive, even making inappropriate jokes about attracting tourism.  That is the attitude of HHS around here.  The parent (and the foster parent, for that matter) is the enemy.</p>
<p>And we take away a lot of kids.  More than most states and that is right here in America&#8217;s heartland.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/17/nebraskas-safe-haven-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1025983</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Couldn’t something else have been tried first?] Yes, but only if we are willing to accept that helping single moms is something that can and should be done. I receive adoption support for caring for Marissa. The state of Minnesota is picking up health care costs that are not covered by our own insurance. My Dad retired from the military at 45 and received a retirement check for the remainder of his life. He was entitled to free care at military hospitals and he was insured through TriCare for care at civilian hospitals. My father-in-law gets money from the government&#039;s farm program. All of these government subsidies are &quot;handouts.&quot; But, when it comes to caring for a single mom, we all judge their lifestyle and find them unworthy of help.

In the example you gave of the mother, two jobs and a messy house, I have learned from parenting Marissa that some people will never, ever be able to keep their home organized and clean without help of another human. Marissa is not lazy. She just cannot look at the mess and know how to clean it without being given directions. She doesn&#039;t need a class; she needs a real-life relationship with someone who will help her. I would way rather this kind of help come family and community than the government. But, I stopped living in my fairy tale perfect world a long time ago. Some people just don&#039;t have help from community. Some people are so dysfunctional that they have burned out their support system. Their family and friend have set up barriers to protect themselves emotionally and financially. It would be cheaper to help this mom than pay to have several children in foster care. It would be better for the children too. But for some reason we are all willing to pay one expense and balk at the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Couldn’t something else have been tried first?] Yes, but only if we are willing to accept that helping single moms is something that can and should be done. I receive adoption support for caring for Marissa. The state of Minnesota is picking up health care costs that are not covered by our own insurance. My Dad retired from the military at 45 and received a retirement check for the remainder of his life. He was entitled to free care at military hospitals and he was insured through TriCare for care at civilian hospitals. My father-in-law gets money from the government&#8217;s farm program. All of these government subsidies are &#8220;handouts.&#8221; But, when it comes to caring for a single mom, we all judge their lifestyle and find them unworthy of help.</p>
<p>In the example you gave of the mother, two jobs and a messy house, I have learned from parenting Marissa that some people will never, ever be able to keep their home organized and clean without help of another human. Marissa is not lazy. She just cannot look at the mess and know how to clean it without being given directions. She doesn&#8217;t need a class; she needs a real-life relationship with someone who will help her. I would way rather this kind of help come family and community than the government. But, I stopped living in my fairy tale perfect world a long time ago. Some people just don&#8217;t have help from community. Some people are so dysfunctional that they have burned out their support system. Their family and friend have set up barriers to protect themselves emotionally and financially. It would be cheaper to help this mom than pay to have several children in foster care. It would be better for the children too. But for some reason we are all willing to pay one expense and balk at the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Renae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana,
I have been wondering your take on this law. Thank you for taking the time to research this and share your opinion.

Families are in crisis, and I, too, wish there was a simple solution. Even when my husband worked for social services trying to bring families back together, abuse still took place.

It breaks my heart to think about it, and makes me realize how important it is for us to be involved with those who ask for help. 

And I&#039;m wondering if part of the problem is thinking that we need to leave giving counsel to &lt;em&gt;experts&lt;/em&gt;? There are issues in my own family I don&#039;t really have the answer for, but sometimes just talking to the parent helps them get perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana,<br />
I have been wondering your take on this law. Thank you for taking the time to research this and share your opinion.</p>
<p>Families are in crisis, and I, too, wish there was a simple solution. Even when my husband worked for social services trying to bring families back together, abuse still took place.</p>
<p>It breaks my heart to think about it, and makes me realize how important it is for us to be involved with those who ask for help. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m wondering if part of the problem is thinking that we need to leave giving counsel to <em>experts</em>? There are issues in my own family I don&#8217;t really have the answer for, but sometimes just talking to the parent helps them get perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Hanley</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/17/nebraskas-safe-haven-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1025975</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting point...In one of the articles I read last night, a hospital worker said that for every child left there was a family who showed up at the hospital and changed their minds, returning home with their children.

And I wonder how many have heard of the law and broken down as they realized how much they wanted to do the very same thing.

Something is more seriously wrong here than just the age-limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting point&#8230;In one of the articles I read last night, a hospital worker said that for every child left there was a family who showed up at the hospital and changed their minds, returning home with their children.</p>
<p>And I wonder how many have heard of the law and broken down as they realized how much they wanted to do the very same thing.</p>
<p>Something is more seriously wrong here than just the age-limit.</p>
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