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	<title>Comments on: #motrinmoms, or Twitter and the Beast</title>
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		<title>By: Principled Discovery &#187; Is blogging killing communication?</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1045631</link>
		<dc:creator>Principled Discovery &#187; Is blogging killing communication?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But the comparison to &#8220;Negroes need not apply&#8221; were a bit over the top for me.  The Motrinmoms thing?  I was all for baby wearing mothers to bring attention to the ads and to baby wearing in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But the comparison to &#8220;Negroes need not apply&#8221; were a bit over the top for me.  The Motrinmoms thing?  I was all for baby wearing mothers to bring attention to the ads and to baby wearing in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026649</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And interestingly, may not even be a part of the target audience.  After all, I know a few of the voices in the whole thing are rather opposed to any medication, particularly for minor aches and pains.  Those who would be upset that I am probably going to request an epidural in late February are certainly not going to be impressed by people taking Motrin for significantly more minor aches.  

I can&#039;t remember if I said this here or elsewhere, but the one thing that struck me is how much the advertising fit in with the Big Pharma stereotypes of pharmaceutical companies trying to medicate any and every discomfort of life.

Particularly the one that stamped &quot;25 lb toddler&quot; on two Motrin tablets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And interestingly, may not even be a part of the target audience.  After all, I know a few of the voices in the whole thing are rather opposed to any medication, particularly for minor aches and pains.  Those who would be upset that I am probably going to request an epidural in late February are certainly not going to be impressed by people taking Motrin for significantly more minor aches.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember if I said this here or elsewhere, but the one thing that struck me is how much the advertising fit in with the Big Pharma stereotypes of pharmaceutical companies trying to medicate any and every discomfort of life.</p>
<p>Particularly the one that stamped &#8220;25 lb toddler&#8221; on two Motrin tablets.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunniemom</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026645</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunniemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about the Cheetos campaign when you posted this blog, Dana, as well as Subwaygate.

I think the internet has given consumers a powerful voice- not only an instant voice, but one that can be read by thousands of people at any given time. 

It could be a good thing, though- between RSS and Twitter, companies can take the pulse of consumers fairly quickly... but I wonder how accurately, because, as you pointed out, mothers who network on the internet crowd&#039; are &lt;i&gt;&quot;socially engaged, techically savvy, ideologically motivated mothers who have made a place for themselves on the internet discussing their parenting styles&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I wonder if that phrase would fit on a T-shirt...:p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about the Cheetos campaign when you posted this blog, Dana, as well as Subwaygate.</p>
<p>I think the internet has given consumers a powerful voice- not only an instant voice, but one that can be read by thousands of people at any given time. </p>
<p>It could be a good thing, though- between RSS and Twitter, companies can take the pulse of consumers fairly quickly&#8230; but I wonder how accurately, because, as you pointed out, mothers who network on the internet crowd&#8217; are <i>&#8220;socially engaged, techically savvy, ideologically motivated mothers who have made a place for themselves on the internet discussing their parenting styles&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I wonder if that phrase would fit on a T-shirt&#8230;:p</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026633</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your number three is what I&#039;ve been wondering.  After all, you could have a marketing campaign that is well-received by the average person in your target market, but it is a minority of people active on the internet that will stop it.

Meaning that marketing my become increasingly focused on us, even though we are not yet a majority.

I think there may well have been a similar reaction without the internet, but it would have taken weeks or months to build.  The Cheetos campaign never received much attention but also seemed to eventually flop.  That was actually the worst ad campaign I remember in a long time, and the fact that they were encouraging petty vandalism I found particularly disturbing.

It wasn&#039;t the number one topic on Twitter, and it wasn&#039;t discussed on every blog because everyone sort of privately reacted by not participating in their campaign and I&#039;m sure we weren&#039;t the only ones who thought twice about purchasing Frito Lay products until it was done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your number three is what I&#8217;ve been wondering.  After all, you could have a marketing campaign that is well-received by the average person in your target market, but it is a minority of people active on the internet that will stop it.</p>
<p>Meaning that marketing my become increasingly focused on us, even though we are not yet a majority.</p>
<p>I think there may well have been a similar reaction without the internet, but it would have taken weeks or months to build.  The Cheetos campaign never received much attention but also seemed to eventually flop.  That was actually the worst ad campaign I remember in a long time, and the fact that they were encouraging petty vandalism I found particularly disturbing.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t the number one topic on Twitter, and it wasn&#8217;t discussed on every blog because everyone sort of privately reacted by not participating in their campaign and I&#8217;m sure we weren&#8217;t the only ones who thought twice about purchasing Frito Lay products until it was done.</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026533</link>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your comparison to marching in the streets. I try to imagine way back years ago before the internet, how people would express indignant outrage? I wonder a few things:

1. Would that many people have noticed the ad without the reaction itself becoming something to notice?
2. Would people have reacted so strongly to the ad if they had not seen other people reacting strongly? As in.. hey, yeah, that *is* demeaning! In the old days of old media, this would have had to happen over time as people read articles, passed around opinions via phone or in-person meetings.
3. How will this affect the way advertising companies do focus group testing? If the mainstream people are less effective than this tech-savvy ideologically-driven minority, will the mall questions be obsolete?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your comparison to marching in the streets. I try to imagine way back years ago before the internet, how people would express indignant outrage? I wonder a few things:</p>
<p>1. Would that many people have noticed the ad without the reaction itself becoming something to notice?<br />
2. Would people have reacted so strongly to the ad if they had not seen other people reacting strongly? As in.. hey, yeah, that *is* demeaning! In the old days of old media, this would have had to happen over time as people read articles, passed around opinions via phone or in-person meetings.<br />
3. How will this affect the way advertising companies do focus group testing? If the mainstream people are less effective than this tech-savvy ideologically-driven minority, will the mall questions be obsolete?</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026502</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few hours before I learned that someone from a show I&#039;ve never watched called homeschoolers demented, I heard that a show I&#039;d never heard of called bloggers a lower life form.

I&#039;ve been trying to figure out what it means to be a demented lower-life form since.

Other than one bad pun...I&#039;m a luna-tick, I haven&#039;t figured it out.  Fits with the whole &quot;bloggers are parasites&quot; from a year or two ago.

The baby thing didn&#039;t bother me so much with the Motrin ad.  I did think that the whole campaign seemed to play right into one of the biggest stereotypes of pharmaceutical companies, namely drug everything and you&#039;ll be fine.

And ABC won&#039;t apologize because they don&#039;t have to.  Controversy draws viewers and that is essentially their product.

Motrin would have been stupid to not respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few hours before I learned that someone from a show I&#8217;ve never watched called homeschoolers demented, I heard that a show I&#8217;d never heard of called bloggers a lower life form.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out what it means to be a demented lower-life form since.</p>
<p>Other than one bad pun&#8230;I&#8217;m a luna-tick, I haven&#8217;t figured it out.  Fits with the whole &#8220;bloggers are parasites&#8221; from a year or two ago.</p>
<p>The baby thing didn&#8217;t bother me so much with the Motrin ad.  I did think that the whole campaign seemed to play right into one of the biggest stereotypes of pharmaceutical companies, namely drug everything and you&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
<p>And ABC won&#8217;t apologize because they don&#8217;t have to.  Controversy draws viewers and that is essentially their product.</p>
<p>Motrin would have been stupid to not respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026496</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think this Motrin thing has been blown WAY out of proportion. But sadly enough, I&#039;m not at all surprised. While many AP moms are relatively tolerant of those parents who make different lifestyle choices, there&#039;s unfortunately a number of AP proponents who are very outspoken in their belief that THEIR way is the ONLY acceptable way to parent. 

How DARE someone choose to ever give a bottle of formula, use the infant car seat or stroller rather than a sling, let the baby cry it out in his/her own crib, use disposable diapers, circumcise their son, buy jarred Gerber foods rather than making one&#039;s own from organic produce, follow the CDC&#039;s recommended immunization schedule, etc., etc. Don&#039;t they know how EVIL those things are and how doing so makes them a FAILURE as a parent?????

And people accuse conservative Christians of being intolerant...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think this Motrin thing has been blown WAY out of proportion. But sadly enough, I&#8217;m not at all surprised. While many AP moms are relatively tolerant of those parents who make different lifestyle choices, there&#8217;s unfortunately a number of AP proponents who are very outspoken in their belief that THEIR way is the ONLY acceptable way to parent. </p>
<p>How DARE someone choose to ever give a bottle of formula, use the infant car seat or stroller rather than a sling, let the baby cry it out in his/her own crib, use disposable diapers, circumcise their son, buy jarred Gerber foods rather than making one&#8217;s own from organic produce, follow the CDC&#8217;s recommended immunization schedule, etc., etc. Don&#8217;t they know how EVIL those things are and how doing so makes them a FAILURE as a parent?????</p>
<p>And people accuse conservative Christians of being intolerant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellll... calling homeschoolers &quot;demented.&quot;  Was Ms. Behar making fun of people with dementia or homeschoolers?  Another really kewl label I&#039;ve heard applied to homeschoolers is &quot;retarded.&quot;

I think more telling was the reaction of the AUDIENCE.  They thought it was funny.  I mean, what if someone got up and said they thought all Orthodox Jews were &quot;demented?&quot;  Would that be funny, too?  They could do a little skit about how these people are afraid of non-Kosher foods and really yuk it up.  

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellll&#8230; calling homeschoolers &#8220;demented.&#8221;  Was Ms. Behar making fun of people with dementia or homeschoolers?  Another really kewl label I&#8217;ve heard applied to homeschoolers is &#8220;retarded.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think more telling was the reaction of the AUDIENCE.  They thought it was funny.  I mean, what if someone got up and said they thought all Orthodox Jews were &#8220;demented?&#8221;  Would that be funny, too?  They could do a little skit about how these people are afraid of non-Kosher foods and really yuk it up.  </p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Life On The Planet</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026478</link>
		<dc:creator>Life On The Planet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a mom with Scoliosis, I really appreciated the Motrin ad. My back always hurts! And slings killed me!

BTW - After watching The View clip you provided with my Sal (14 yr. old) I asked him if he was afraid of other kids. He said that he wasn&#039;t but that Joy Behar kind of freaked him out.

Out of the mouths...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a mom with Scoliosis, I really appreciated the Motrin ad. My back always hurts! And slings killed me!</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; After watching The View clip you provided with my Sal (14 yr. old) I asked him if he was afraid of other kids. He said that he wasn&#8217;t but that Joy Behar kind of freaked him out.</p>
<p>Out of the mouths&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Foyt</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/11/19/motrinmoms-or-twitter-and-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-1026477</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Foyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make an important point, activism no longer has to be just for extreme causes that call for protest marches.  Now, it&#039;s easy to speak up when we see something that moves us, to discover if others share our sentiment.  And, when they do, we can a difference while doing all the other things that are part of our daily life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make an important point, activism no longer has to be just for extreme causes that call for protest marches.  Now, it&#8217;s easy to speak up when we see something that moves us, to discover if others share our sentiment.  And, when they do, we can a difference while doing all the other things that are part of our daily life.</p>
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