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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/05/12/homeschooling-as-a-protest-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-1086533</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adaptation, mostly. I haven&#039;t looked at the science textbooks, but I know when I say evolution, I&#039;m usually corrected and told I mean adaptation.  Or &quot;little e&quot; evolution.  That is popular in some circles.  The objection is more to the origins of life question, and I think that is part of why it is so difficult for their to be any meaningful discussion.  Say &quot;evolution&quot; and the science you are talking about doesn&#039;t come to mind, just the life arising from nonlife in the beginnings of time.  

I can&#039;t say how other people teach anything.  I can say my children know more about Darwin than most kids their age and not in a &quot;what a horrible man&quot; kind of way.  I personally believe that isolating a child from theories and opinions, especially those they are almost guaranteed to eventually confront, makes it difficult for them to really defend their beliefs or to discuss these issues intelligently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adaptation, mostly. I haven&#8217;t looked at the science textbooks, but I know when I say evolution, I&#8217;m usually corrected and told I mean adaptation.  Or &#8220;little e&#8221; evolution.  That is popular in some circles.  The objection is more to the origins of life question, and I think that is part of why it is so difficult for their to be any meaningful discussion.  Say &#8220;evolution&#8221; and the science you are talking about doesn&#8217;t come to mind, just the life arising from nonlife in the beginnings of time.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say how other people teach anything.  I can say my children know more about Darwin than most kids their age and not in a &#8220;what a horrible man&#8221; kind of way.  I personally believe that isolating a child from theories and opinions, especially those they are almost guaranteed to eventually confront, makes it difficult for them to really defend their beliefs or to discuss these issues intelligently.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kuha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Kuha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, I buy that.  And I actually sort of assumed that that was the case.

I am curious to know what they do call it.  Evolution by means of natural selection is the predominant scientific theory.  In fact, the statistics that you supplied are interesting, they are even more interesting when compared to the statistics for experts in the field of biology where fewer than one percent of relevant scientists gave credence to creationism.  Logic dictates that we must defer to an expert in certain fields.

There is strong evidence to support it and while I would never criticize anyone&#039;s child-raising (I don&#039;t have any yet myself, so how would I know?), I am bursting with curiosity about how these theories are taught, along with whether or not they stress the &lt;i&gt;scientific&lt;/i&gt; definition of the word &quot;theory.&quot;

I do apologize.  I&#039;m getting way off topic.  The basic premise of your post has little to do with evolution directly (and I must reiterate, that I do agree with that basic premise) and I hope you don&#039;t think that I&#039;m grinding an axe because I really am curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I buy that.  And I actually sort of assumed that that was the case.</p>
<p>I am curious to know what they do call it.  Evolution by means of natural selection is the predominant scientific theory.  In fact, the statistics that you supplied are interesting, they are even more interesting when compared to the statistics for experts in the field of biology where fewer than one percent of relevant scientists gave credence to creationism.  Logic dictates that we must defer to an expert in certain fields.</p>
<p>There is strong evidence to support it and while I would never criticize anyone&#8217;s child-raising (I don&#8217;t have any yet myself, so how would I know?), I am bursting with curiosity about how these theories are taught, along with whether or not they stress the <i>scientific</i> definition of the word &#8220;theory.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do apologize.  I&#8217;m getting way off topic.  The basic premise of your post has little to do with evolution directly (and I must reiterate, that I do agree with that basic premise) and I hope you don&#8217;t think that I&#8217;m grinding an axe because I really am curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/05/12/homeschooling-as-a-protest-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-1086453</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, the Christian parents I know do expose their children to evolutionary theory.  They just don&#039;t call it that.  It isn&#039;t like they teach &quot;God dun it and that&#039;s the end of that&quot; like so many stereotypes I&#039;ve read.  It isn&#039;t adaptation, natural selection, etc. that they/we take issue with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, the Christian parents I know do expose their children to evolutionary theory.  They just don&#8217;t call it that.  It isn&#8217;t like they teach &#8220;God dun it and that&#8217;s the end of that&#8221; like so many stereotypes I&#8217;ve read.  It isn&#8217;t adaptation, natural selection, etc. that they/we take issue with.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kuha</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/05/12/homeschooling-as-a-protest-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-1086375</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Kuha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to add that social development is one of the key things that students do actually pick up in public schools, and I am concerned that some of my homeschooled friends, while intelligent, insightful, and very dear to me, are oftentimes very socially awkward.  I would like to see some research on how homeschooling affects social development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to add that social development is one of the key things that students do actually pick up in public schools, and I am concerned that some of my homeschooled friends, while intelligent, insightful, and very dear to me, are oftentimes very socially awkward.  I would like to see some research on how homeschooling affects social development.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kuha</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/05/12/homeschooling-as-a-protest-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-1086374</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Kuha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that homeschooling has produced some of the most thoughtful and intelligent people that I know.  But then, so has public schooling.  Often my homeschooled friends have perspectives that were very underrepresented in public school (I am a product of public education).  The way I see it, students get out of their education what they want to get out of it.

Not all of my homeschooled friends are Christian, either, I&#039;d just like to point out.

However, I do think it&#039;s important that people be able to make their own decisions on the matter.  Any parent that deliberately shields their children from evolutionary theory (of which I am a firm supporter) is committing something akin to a crime.

So, it seems to me that even Christian parents who homeschool should expose their children to evolutionary theory.  They should be educated in the basic mechanisms that drive it (allele frequencies, convergent and divergent evolution, sexual selection, mutation, etc).

It&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; way that, as adults, children will be able to make educated decisions about it.

Otherwise, you run the risk of alienating your kids completely if they do decide to rebel against their upbringing.  My parents are highly conservative creationists and I have a fantastic relationship with them.  And I firmly believe that this is because they support me and my beliefs (even if they don&#039;t agree).  The biggest crime is alienation, not teaching children evolution.

As for public schools being terrible, I wholeheartedly agree with all of your indictments.  It doesn&#039;t do what it ought, and No Child Left Behind is a sham and a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that homeschooling has produced some of the most thoughtful and intelligent people that I know.  But then, so has public schooling.  Often my homeschooled friends have perspectives that were very underrepresented in public school (I am a product of public education).  The way I see it, students get out of their education what they want to get out of it.</p>
<p>Not all of my homeschooled friends are Christian, either, I&#8217;d just like to point out.</p>
<p>However, I do think it&#8217;s important that people be able to make their own decisions on the matter.  Any parent that deliberately shields their children from evolutionary theory (of which I am a firm supporter) is committing something akin to a crime.</p>
<p>So, it seems to me that even Christian parents who homeschool should expose their children to evolutionary theory.  They should be educated in the basic mechanisms that drive it (allele frequencies, convergent and divergent evolution, sexual selection, mutation, etc).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the <i>only</i> way that, as adults, children will be able to make educated decisions about it.</p>
<p>Otherwise, you run the risk of alienating your kids completely if they do decide to rebel against their upbringing.  My parents are highly conservative creationists and I have a fantastic relationship with them.  And I firmly believe that this is because they support me and my beliefs (even if they don&#8217;t agree).  The biggest crime is alienation, not teaching children evolution.</p>
<p>As for public schools being terrible, I wholeheartedly agree with all of your indictments.  It doesn&#8217;t do what it ought, and No Child Left Behind is a sham and a joke.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The BoBo Carnival of Politics - May 31, 2009 Edition &#124; The BoBo Files</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Education #225 &#171; siobhan curious: classroom as microcosm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Education #225 &#171; siobhan curious: classroom as microcosm</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should think mostly about our own lives rather than pronouncing judgment on all the folks.  To me this study was a good lesson that to be a happy, successful home education family for life, it helps to focus on filling rather than emptying your life, and to stop resenting and begrudging and complaining about the public schools and all that you think is wrong with them. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should think mostly about our own lives rather than pronouncing judgment on all the folks.  To me this study was a good lesson that to be a happy, successful home education family for life, it helps to focus on filling rather than emptying your life, and to stop resenting and begrudging and complaining about the public schools and all that you think is wrong with them. . .</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, as I recall, they were more the social misfit strata with many dysfunctions and troubles, and felt pushed out by &quot;the system&quot; -- not just the school system itself but The System. 

You know, folks whose own educational experiences didn&#039;t equip them well for life, living on the margins with unreliable income and sort of hanging on by a thread and resenting that everything&#039;s so difficult and full of red tape, with other social service problems and needs (free health clinics, food banks etc) and weren&#039;t very skilled at managing or negotiating all their um, shall we say interfaces? 

So pushed out but they weren&#039;t &quot;pushy&quot; as in demanding PTA parents or whatever . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, as I recall, they were more the social misfit strata with many dysfunctions and troubles, and felt pushed out by &#8220;the system&#8221; &#8212; not just the school system itself but The System. </p>
<p>You know, folks whose own educational experiences didn&#8217;t equip them well for life, living on the margins with unreliable income and sort of hanging on by a thread and resenting that everything&#8217;s so difficult and full of red tape, with other social service problems and needs (free health clinics, food banks etc) and weren&#8217;t very skilled at managing or negotiating all their um, shall we say interfaces? </p>
<p>So pushed out but they weren&#8217;t &#8220;pushy&#8221; as in demanding PTA parents or whatever . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ,

I take your point that the &quot;push&quot; reasons point to parents who homeschool as a reaction to, and attempt to manipulate, the public school system. Those folks are what I would call &quot;education protestors.&quot; 

They want a subsidized daycare system that costs them only $300 a year (in residential property taxes) for 180 days of relief, and guarantees plenty of socialization and sports for their kid. If the current system disappeared, they would build another one just like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ,</p>
<p>I take your point that the &#8220;push&#8221; reasons point to parents who homeschool as a reaction to, and attempt to manipulate, the public school system. Those folks are what I would call &#8220;education protestors.&#8221; </p>
<p>They want a subsidized daycare system that costs them only $300 a year (in residential property taxes) for 180 days of relief, and guarantees plenty of socialization and sports for their kid. If the current system disappeared, they would build another one just like it.</p>
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