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	<title>Comments on: UN Convention on the Rights of the Child used against English homeschoolers</title>
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		<title>By: Justin Livi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Livi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why everyone feels so threatened by this treaty. This treaty deals with basic rights of a child, rights such as the right to life, basic freedoms such the right to not be forced into sexual slavery, etc. The U.S. signing it would would signify U.S. leaders agreeing within the international community that they would not violate the rights of any children anywhere in the world. The convention is designed to protect children from being forced into workhouses and used as child-soldiers in places such Sierra Leone. I think the U.S. has been reluctant to sign it up until now, because U.S. corporate interests profit daily from underpaid child-labor overseas. Signing could potentially jeopardize some of those interests. I think that the U.S. signing could potentially greatly improve the lives of children all over the world.

As for the concerns over homeschoolers&#039; rights being jeopardized, the treaty wouldn&#039;t allow for more privacy invasion than Child Protective Services already has. All Child Protective Services requires to investigate is a concerned phone call. Then an actual investigation is launched, in which hard evidence of abuse is required for any action to take place. How is the treaty any different from this? In both cases both the interests of the parents and the child are taken into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why everyone feels so threatened by this treaty. This treaty deals with basic rights of a child, rights such as the right to life, basic freedoms such the right to not be forced into sexual slavery, etc. The U.S. signing it would would signify U.S. leaders agreeing within the international community that they would not violate the rights of any children anywhere in the world. The convention is designed to protect children from being forced into workhouses and used as child-soldiers in places such Sierra Leone. I think the U.S. has been reluctant to sign it up until now, because U.S. corporate interests profit daily from underpaid child-labor overseas. Signing could potentially jeopardize some of those interests. I think that the U.S. signing could potentially greatly improve the lives of children all over the world.</p>
<p>As for the concerns over homeschoolers&#8217; rights being jeopardized, the treaty wouldn&#8217;t allow for more privacy invasion than Child Protective Services already has. All Child Protective Services requires to investigate is a concerned phone call. Then an actual investigation is launched, in which hard evidence of abuse is required for any action to take place. How is the treaty any different from this? In both cases both the interests of the parents and the child are taken into account.</p>
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		<title>By: Walking Therein &#187; Don&#8217;t Let the CRC Take Our Freedoms!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walking Therein &#187; Don&#8217;t Let the CRC Take Our Freedoms!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it or not, it does. I have been researching this &#8216;treaty&#8217; for several years now, and if what happened in the past month in the UK and is still occurring with their CRC and parents&#8217; rights doesn&#8217;t prove why this would be legislated, then I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it or not, it does. I have been researching this &#8216;treaty&#8217; for several years now, and if what happened in the past month in the UK and is still occurring with their CRC and parents&#8217; rights doesn&#8217;t prove why this would be legislated, then I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Latte Links (6/19) &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latte Links (6/19) &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Daily Planet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of Homeschooling: A Summer Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Planet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of Homeschooling: A Summer Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dana of Principled Discovery shares about how the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child used against English homeschoolers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this site, but found it through other links relating to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.  My wife and I have spent hours studying this treaty and the issues surrounding it.  While I know that not everyone against the treaty agree with our solution, (a Parental Rights Amendment), I at least urge everyone to investigate this threat to all parental rights and take action.  Do not wait until our great nation becomes a nation where the government controls the minds and souls of our next generation.  I am working in Tennessee to spread the alert.  Please join me if you live in Tennessee, or permit me to equip you to start working in your own state.  I am also willing to address any questions/concerns that you have.

http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&amp;SEC={B47062D1-5377-40F9-9A26-0CFFD0DD66CC}&amp;DE=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
  I am a newcomer to this site, but found it through other links relating to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.  My wife and I have spent hours studying this treaty and the issues surrounding it.  While I know that not everyone against the treaty agree with our solution, (a Parental Rights Amendment), I at least urge everyone to investigate this threat to all parental rights and take action.  Do not wait until our great nation becomes a nation where the government controls the minds and souls of our next generation.  I am working in Tennessee to spread the alert.  Please join me if you live in Tennessee, or permit me to equip you to start working in your own state.  I am also willing to address any questions/concerns that you have.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&amp;SEC=" rel="nofollow">http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&amp;SEC=</a>{B47062D1-5377-40F9-9A26-0CFFD0DD66CC}&amp;DE=</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/06/12/un-convention-on-the-rights-of-the-child-used-against-english-homeschoolers/comment-page-1/#comment-1089081</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keyboard freaking out -- Ian Tomlinson.</description>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/06/12/un-convention-on-the-rights-of-the-child-used-against-english-homeschoolers/comment-page-1/#comment-1089080</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And without going back to relevant history, just think about current events such as students protesting the &quot;election&quot; in Iran and their government&#039;s heavy-handed response, plus the general police state concerns in England completely apart from homeschool regulation (the death of Ian Tomlinon during political protests in the streets, likely at the hands of police etc.)

Whether we lean right or left and whether our wing is in power or out, it&#039;s not so simple for any person or group such as homeshcooling, to reflexively believe police are always right and students are always wrong, or vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And without going back to relevant history, just think about current events such as students protesting the &#8220;election&#8221; in Iran and their government&#8217;s heavy-handed response, plus the general police state concerns in England completely apart from homeschool regulation (the death of Ian Tomlinon during political protests in the streets, likely at the hands of police etc.)</p>
<p>Whether we lean right or left and whether our wing is in power or out, it&#8217;s not so simple for any person or group such as homeshcooling, to reflexively believe police are always right and students are always wrong, or vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reason had a sort of interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reason.com/news/show/32944.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article on Godwin&#039;s Law&lt;/a&gt; awhile back.

&lt;em&gt;Thus, despite all efforts at regulation, the market has repeatedly decided in favor of the N-bomb. There simply isn&#039;t any other tableau, in history or fiction, that offers the same variety of evil and oppressive examples as the Third Reich. Why compare some propaganda to 1984 and some slaughter to Srebrenica when you can double down and link both of them to Nazism? &lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s all part of our cultural memory, along with the &quot;Never again&quot; I was taught in school as I was forced to watch a documentary of walking skeletons, mass graves, and ghostly, dead eyes.

As an actual argument, it lacks...well...an argument.  As a cultural point, a horror we all shared even though it happened before most of us were born, it is rather interesting.

At least to me.

After all, we can&#039;t point to ourselves.  Our Liberty Cabbage and Liberty Steaks.  Parading German-born Americans about to shame them.  Dousing those who objected to purchasing liberty bonds with paint, and stealing the Mennonites cars and using the money to buy liberty bonds since they refused.  Lynching a German family.  Stopping the German language newspapers and German language schools.

Of course, that was WWI...before the Nazis and before any clear moral &quot;right&quot; on either side of the &quot;War to End All Wars.&quot;  

Or our treatment of Native Americans.  I can see certain correlations between this and the forced removal of children from their families and culture in order to &quot;civilize&quot; them.  Or even in our treatment of Catholic immigrants.  

Some of these events in our own history actually seem to have a much stronger correlation to home education concerns.  But perhaps it is &quot;safer&quot; to look abroad and to the extreme rather than deal with the very real fact that America, too, is not above interfering in the family to force the will of the majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason had a sort of interesting <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/32944.html" rel="nofollow">article on Godwin&#8217;s Law</a> awhile back.</p>
<p><em>Thus, despite all efforts at regulation, the market has repeatedly decided in favor of the N-bomb. There simply isn&#8217;t any other tableau, in history or fiction, that offers the same variety of evil and oppressive examples as the Third Reich. Why compare some propaganda to 1984 and some slaughter to Srebrenica when you can double down and link both of them to Nazism? </em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all part of our cultural memory, along with the &#8220;Never again&#8221; I was taught in school as I was forced to watch a documentary of walking skeletons, mass graves, and ghostly, dead eyes.</p>
<p>As an actual argument, it lacks&#8230;well&#8230;an argument.  As a cultural point, a horror we all shared even though it happened before most of us were born, it is rather interesting.</p>
<p>At least to me.</p>
<p>After all, we can&#8217;t point to ourselves.  Our Liberty Cabbage and Liberty Steaks.  Parading German-born Americans about to shame them.  Dousing those who objected to purchasing liberty bonds with paint, and stealing the Mennonites cars and using the money to buy liberty bonds since they refused.  Lynching a German family.  Stopping the German language newspapers and German language schools.</p>
<p>Of course, that was WWI&#8230;before the Nazis and before any clear moral &#8220;right&#8221; on either side of the &#8220;War to End All Wars.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Or our treatment of Native Americans.  I can see certain correlations between this and the forced removal of children from their families and culture in order to &#8220;civilize&#8221; them.  Or even in our treatment of Catholic immigrants.  </p>
<p>Some of these events in our own history actually seem to have a much stronger correlation to home education concerns.  But perhaps it is &#8220;safer&#8221; to look abroad and to the extreme rather than deal with the very real fact that America, too, is not above interfering in the family to force the will of the majority.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Godwin&#039;s Law is still in effect. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Godwin&#8217;s Law is still in effect. . .</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Adolph Hitler employ similar techniques or don&#039;t we study that anymore either?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Adolph Hitler employ similar techniques or don&#8217;t we study that anymore either?</p>
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