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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/06/15/how-should-homeschoolers-communicate-in-the-public-square/comment-page-1/#comment-1089532</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is very true, Henry.  I&#039;ve never launched into a discussion of founding principles, socialization, or anything like that when people ask me in person about homeschooling.

Their questions are normally very polite and curious...like what you&#039;d ask when you meet someone from another country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is very true, Henry.  I&#8217;ve never launched into a discussion of founding principles, socialization, or anything like that when people ask me in person about homeschooling.</p>
<p>Their questions are normally very polite and curious&#8230;like what you&#8217;d ask when you meet someone from another country.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Cate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Cate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But is there one way, one right way, to engage the public in homeschool discussions?&quot;

I think a lot of it depends on the context.  Who are you talking with?  What is their interest?  Are they just being polite?  

One of the things I find effective is to just give out little bits.  Most people who ask about homeschooling don&#039;t want the two hour lecture.  I have a thousand facts and ideas about homeschool, but I try to give a short answer.  If the person is really interested, they&#039;ll ask for more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But is there one way, one right way, to engage the public in homeschool discussions?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think a lot of it depends on the context.  Who are you talking with?  What is their interest?  Are they just being polite?  </p>
<p>One of the things I find effective is to just give out little bits.  Most people who ask about homeschooling don&#8217;t want the two hour lecture.  I have a thousand facts and ideas about homeschool, but I try to give a short answer.  If the person is really interested, they&#8217;ll ask for more.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Holzmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Holzmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, I did not mean to make a mountain out of a molehill at all. And while your comment may not have been directed for or against Sonlight, I felt that it rather negatively portrayed what the company stood for and I wanted to present the more positive perspective.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify!

 ~Luke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, I did not mean to make a mountain out of a molehill at all. And while your comment may not have been directed for or against Sonlight, I felt that it rather negatively portrayed what the company stood for and I wanted to present the more positive perspective.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to clarify!</p>
<p> ~Luke</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, I wasn&#039;t arguing for or against your product. I know nothing about it, and rejecting or using it wasn&#039;t the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I wasn&#8217;t arguing for or against your product. I know nothing about it, and rejecting or using it wasn&#8217;t the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Holzmann</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/06/15/how-should-homeschoolers-communicate-in-the-public-square/comment-page-1/#comment-1089356</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Holzmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, you&#039;re right. On &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonlight.com/before-you-start-homeschooling.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;, CONTROL of what your children learn and when they learn it is listed at the first of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonlight.com/before-you-start-homeschooling.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Top Benefits of Homeschooling&lt;/a&gt;. But I think it means something slightly different than what you are bagging on here.

This parental CONTROL over a child&#039;s education is not so much about gaining ruling authority as it is about giving your children the content that is right for them when they are ready. It&#039;s about using your knowledge and love as a parent to give your child what is perfect for them. In some ways, what you say: Parent-protected learning.

On the other hand, it is true that Sonlight encourages parents to control/guide what their children are learning and how. This does go against the completely open &quot;unschooling&quot; method, and does reject the idea of a child&#039;s complete &quot;individual educational freedom&quot; is paramount.

Why?

Because our job as parents is, I believe, to see what our children are capable of doing/their direction/purpose and point them down that road so they can run down it. For some, they have found that directed &quot;unschooling&quot; is the best way for them and their family. And that&#039;s fine. For many, many families, however, Sonlight continues to provide tools and resources that help parents more easily encourage, grow, and inspire their children into a life-long love of learning.

In fact, giving children complete freedom--without input/guidance/control from parents--has led to many of today&#039;s issues, as Dr. Sax points out so well &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonlightblog.com/2009/01/do-you-know-how-much-gender-matters.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in his book&lt;/a&gt;.

But beyond this, I encourage you to read more about Sonlight, and why parents both &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonlight.com/to-buy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;love&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonlight.com/not-to-buy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dislike&lt;/a&gt; Sonlight, and also some of the company&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonlight.com/written-goals.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stated goals&lt;/a&gt;. This may not be what you are looking for for your family, but by rejecting Sonlight you are choosing to give your children something else... which is making a choice for them... as you should.

 ~Luke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, you&#8217;re right. On <a href="http://www.sonlight.com/before-you-start-homeschooling.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a>, CONTROL of what your children learn and when they learn it is listed at the first of the <a href="http://www.sonlight.com/before-you-start-homeschooling.html" rel="nofollow">Top Benefits of Homeschooling</a>. But I think it means something slightly different than what you are bagging on here.</p>
<p>This parental CONTROL over a child&#8217;s education is not so much about gaining ruling authority as it is about giving your children the content that is right for them when they are ready. It&#8217;s about using your knowledge and love as a parent to give your child what is perfect for them. In some ways, what you say: Parent-protected learning.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it is true that Sonlight encourages parents to control/guide what their children are learning and how. This does go against the completely open &#8220;unschooling&#8221; method, and does reject the idea of a child&#8217;s complete &#8220;individual educational freedom&#8221; is paramount.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because our job as parents is, I believe, to see what our children are capable of doing/their direction/purpose and point them down that road so they can run down it. For some, they have found that directed &#8220;unschooling&#8221; is the best way for them and their family. And that&#8217;s fine. For many, many families, however, Sonlight continues to provide tools and resources that help parents more easily encourage, grow, and inspire their children into a life-long love of learning.</p>
<p>In fact, giving children complete freedom&#8211;without input/guidance/control from parents&#8211;has led to many of today&#8217;s issues, as Dr. Sax points out so well <a href="http://www.sonlightblog.com/2009/01/do-you-know-how-much-gender-matters.html" rel="nofollow">in his book</a>.</p>
<p>But beyond this, I encourage you to read more about Sonlight, and why parents both <a href="http://www.sonlight.com/to-buy.html" rel="nofollow">love</a> and <a href="http://www.sonlight.com/not-to-buy.html" rel="nofollow">dislike</a> Sonlight, and also some of the company&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sonlight.com/written-goals.html" rel="nofollow">stated goals</a>. This may not be what you are looking for for your family, but by rejecting Sonlight you are choosing to give your children something else&#8230; which is making a choice for them&#8230; as you should.</p>
<p> ~Luke</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/06/15/how-should-homeschoolers-communicate-in-the-public-square/comment-page-1/#comment-1089310</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeschool advocacy has a built-in flaw that hurts us imo. We love the heady philosophy of education choice and education freedom and speak so effectively of it, but then in the political tug-of-war we lose sight of freedom to learn and get caught up in freedom to teach. We wind up making every issue about the parent&#039;s rights and the parent&#039;s values and the parent&#039;s beliefs, the parent&#039;s authority -- and most pile divine authority on top of that.    

Ten years ago Nance and I tried to respect the concerns of homeschoolers who didn&#039;t want us to call our family&#039;s education freedom &quot;homeshcooling&quot; so we started using the phrase &quot;parent-directed education&quot; -- but we quickly realized that wasn&#039;t it. What we believe in isn&#039;t parent-directed but parent-PROTECTED education.

Real education freedom is for the learner and that means no ruling authority, not merely exchanging one ruling authority for another.

Wherever the basis of instruction is control, coercion and compulsion, we use other words: training, schooling, programming, conditioning, remediation, indoctrination.  

But real education, learning in individual freedom?  Hardly.

It&#039;s not real education freedom when church, state or even the parent-teacher controls what the child learns, knows and believes.

That means there&#039;s a lot about homeschooling that isn&#039;t real education freedom then.  I happened upon the Sonlight commercial curriculum site today for the first time, where I found a list of pros and cons for homeschooling. Guess what the number one &quot;pro&quot; reason was?  CONTROL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeschool advocacy has a built-in flaw that hurts us imo. We love the heady philosophy of education choice and education freedom and speak so effectively of it, but then in the political tug-of-war we lose sight of freedom to learn and get caught up in freedom to teach. We wind up making every issue about the parent&#8217;s rights and the parent&#8217;s values and the parent&#8217;s beliefs, the parent&#8217;s authority &#8212; and most pile divine authority on top of that.    </p>
<p>Ten years ago Nance and I tried to respect the concerns of homeschoolers who didn&#8217;t want us to call our family&#8217;s education freedom &#8220;homeshcooling&#8221; so we started using the phrase &#8220;parent-directed education&#8221; &#8212; but we quickly realized that wasn&#8217;t it. What we believe in isn&#8217;t parent-directed but parent-PROTECTED education.</p>
<p>Real education freedom is for the learner and that means no ruling authority, not merely exchanging one ruling authority for another.</p>
<p>Wherever the basis of instruction is control, coercion and compulsion, we use other words: training, schooling, programming, conditioning, remediation, indoctrination.  </p>
<p>But real education, learning in individual freedom?  Hardly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not real education freedom when church, state or even the parent-teacher controls what the child learns, knows and believes.</p>
<p>That means there&#8217;s a lot about homeschooling that isn&#8217;t real education freedom then.  I happened upon the Sonlight commercial curriculum site today for the first time, where I found a list of pros and cons for homeschooling. Guess what the number one &#8220;pro&#8221; reason was?  CONTROL.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. FWIW that was not me saying that I WANT schools to be crummy... more that, in the opinions of others (which is the subject of this blog post) better schools would mean less &quot;good reason&quot; to homeschool.

I sure hope I made some sense!  But I think it&#039;s an important point to make.  Maybe it&#039;s just a theoretical one, because we all know all schools aren&#039;t &quot;good&quot; schools or &quot;bad&quot; schools, which makes your newest post more relevant.  :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. FWIW that was not me saying that I WANT schools to be crummy&#8230; more that, in the opinions of others (which is the subject of this blog post) better schools would mean less &#8220;good reason&#8221; to homeschool.</p>
<p>I sure hope I made some sense!  But I think it&#8217;s an important point to make.  Maybe it&#8217;s just a theoretical one, because we all know all schools aren&#8217;t &#8220;good&#8221; schools or &#8220;bad&#8221; schools, which makes your newest post more relevant.  :]</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. C</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/06/15/how-should-homeschoolers-communicate-in-the-public-square/comment-page-1/#comment-1089282</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must disagree, Dana.  If the general populace were very well-educated, and if such education occurred in public school, it would defeat a major PRO-homeschooling argument.  Usually, when I see someone opposed to home education on the blogs, etc., they make exception for &quot;really bad schools.&quot;  Or if I bring up what happened to my son, it seems that oh, it&#039;s ok for parents of disabled kids to do, too, because it&#039;s not like we need to train those kinds of people to be independent anyway.

It seems, somehow, that YOU, good parent, should never take the &quot;school&#039;s job&quot; unless the school somehow proves itself to be awful.  So, more schools becoming truly awful would propel more &quot;regular&quot; parents to homeschool.  

I find the argument against religious home education a bit odd myself.  I was a conservative Christian BEFORE I began home-educating, but I began home-educating for secular reasons.

Of course, now that I AM teaching at home, when I pick out curriculum it has God and stuff in it.  (Eeek!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must disagree, Dana.  If the general populace were very well-educated, and if such education occurred in public school, it would defeat a major PRO-homeschooling argument.  Usually, when I see someone opposed to home education on the blogs, etc., they make exception for &#8220;really bad schools.&#8221;  Or if I bring up what happened to my son, it seems that oh, it&#8217;s ok for parents of disabled kids to do, too, because it&#8217;s not like we need to train those kinds of people to be independent anyway.</p>
<p>It seems, somehow, that YOU, good parent, should never take the &#8220;school&#8217;s job&#8221; unless the school somehow proves itself to be awful.  So, more schools becoming truly awful would propel more &#8220;regular&#8221; parents to homeschool.  </p>
<p>I find the argument against religious home education a bit odd myself.  I was a conservative Christian BEFORE I began home-educating, but I began home-educating for secular reasons.</p>
<p>Of course, now that I AM teaching at home, when I pick out curriculum it has God and stuff in it.  (Eeek!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you are quite right.  But don&#039;t you think that if the general populace were better educated, such offenses would not take place in our government?  We rarely get past the sound bytes, and I fear our legislators hardly have time to read past the titles.

It takes vigilance and some amount of organization to even know what is going on, much less formulate a response to it and begin to build enough support to pressure lawmakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are quite right.  But don&#8217;t you think that if the general populace were better educated, such offenses would not take place in our government?  We rarely get past the sound bytes, and I fear our legislators hardly have time to read past the titles.</p>
<p>It takes vigilance and some amount of organization to even know what is going on, much less formulate a response to it and begin to build enough support to pressure lawmakers.</p>
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		<title>By: ProntoLessons</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProntoLessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that talking one-on-one in informal settings is the best way to get the homeschooling message out and that the highly educated objectors will eventually get hushed out by the &quot;one-two punch&quot; of increased mindshare over true homeschooling and the continued positive statistics suggesting that homeschooling works.

And I really think the next level of educating the mainstream folks should be focused on the people who have influence over education policy.

Perfect illustration is as follows:

Here in the state of Texas, a bill was just passed (SB 1440) which allows state welfare officials to seize your child without parental permission so that they can interview that child by transporting him/her to a place that the officials deem appropriate.

Now, I know this bill wasn&#039;t aimed at homeschoolers per se, but it does have some really bad consequences for the homeschool community since any Child Protective Services official can basically ignore the 4th Amendment and take your kid away to eventually make the child say anything the officials want (and in Texas, CPS and homeschoolers aren&#039;t exactly the best of friends, so you can connect the dots and draw your own conclusions as to how this bill, if it becomes approved by the governor, can easily be used to punish/harass law-abiding homeschoolers).

Did you know that in the Texas Senate, this bill was passed unanimously?  That&#039;s right, not one Senator voted against this bill.

Like I said, informal chats are best for democratizing the homeschool message, but focusing on communicating our message to someone who &quot;has a seat at the table&quot; when it comes to deciding homeschool rights is also critical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that talking one-on-one in informal settings is the best way to get the homeschooling message out and that the highly educated objectors will eventually get hushed out by the &#8220;one-two punch&#8221; of increased mindshare over true homeschooling and the continued positive statistics suggesting that homeschooling works.</p>
<p>And I really think the next level of educating the mainstream folks should be focused on the people who have influence over education policy.</p>
<p>Perfect illustration is as follows:</p>
<p>Here in the state of Texas, a bill was just passed (SB 1440) which allows state welfare officials to seize your child without parental permission so that they can interview that child by transporting him/her to a place that the officials deem appropriate.</p>
<p>Now, I know this bill wasn&#8217;t aimed at homeschoolers per se, but it does have some really bad consequences for the homeschool community since any Child Protective Services official can basically ignore the 4th Amendment and take your kid away to eventually make the child say anything the officials want (and in Texas, CPS and homeschoolers aren&#8217;t exactly the best of friends, so you can connect the dots and draw your own conclusions as to how this bill, if it becomes approved by the governor, can easily be used to punish/harass law-abiding homeschoolers).</p>
<p>Did you know that in the Texas Senate, this bill was passed unanimously?  That&#8217;s right, not one Senator voted against this bill.</p>
<p>Like I said, informal chats are best for democratizing the homeschool message, but focusing on communicating our message to someone who &#8220;has a seat at the table&#8221; when it comes to deciding homeschool rights is also critical.</p>
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