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	<title>Comments on: Why we should listen to the president</title>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/09/08/why-we-should-listen-to-the-president/comment-page-1/#comment-1100312</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but I only see the same thing with different players.  Big Pharma is already spending money promoting Obama&#039;s plan, and I don&#039;t think it is because they&#039;ve suddenly caught some redemptive vision.  Huge corporations always stand to gain from governmental involvement.  Part of why GE is so huge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but I only see the same thing with different players.  Big Pharma is already spending money promoting Obama&#8217;s plan, and I don&#8217;t think it is because they&#8217;ve suddenly caught some redemptive vision.  Huge corporations always stand to gain from governmental involvement.  Part of why GE is so huge.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/09/08/why-we-should-listen-to-the-president/comment-page-1/#comment-1100309</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Dana -- I kinda figure I need access without discrimination or highway robbery, to what I need for keeping myself and my family healthy, or else the rest doesn&#039;t much matter . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Dana &#8212; I kinda figure I need access without discrimination or highway robbery, to what I need for keeping myself and my family healthy, or else the rest doesn&#8217;t much matter . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/09/08/why-we-should-listen-to-the-president/comment-page-1/#comment-1100307</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then we agree that the government shouldn&#039;t be doing what it is currently planning for health care?  Somehow, I doubt it. :)  I was just tying your comments directly to how things are being reformed at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we agree that the government shouldn&#8217;t be doing what it is currently planning for health care?  Somehow, I doubt it. <img src='http://principleddiscovery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I was just tying your comments directly to how things are being reformed at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said anything about force?  The point is rethinking what we&#039;re doing and getting better ideas that stand on their own, as soon as you get the criminal conspiracies to defraud off the decks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said anything about force?  The point is rethinking what we&#8217;re doing and getting better ideas that stand on their own, as soon as you get the criminal conspiracies to defraud off the decks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/09/08/why-we-should-listen-to-the-president/comment-page-1/#comment-1100304</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you design it and force it, I don&#039;t see how it won&#039;t be necessarily regulatory and antagonistic.

I think we need a system that allows for us to pursue economic activities with minimal outside control and direction.  Some is necessary, and I don&#039;t really want to get into where proper lines would be.

More is gained by doing than forcing, going back to the &quot;well doing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you design it and force it, I don&#8217;t see how it won&#8217;t be necessarily regulatory and antagonistic.</p>
<p>I think we need a system that allows for us to pursue economic activities with minimal outside control and direction.  Some is necessary, and I don&#8217;t really want to get into where proper lines would be.</p>
<p>More is gained by doing than forcing, going back to the &#8220;well doing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree about regulations but that wasn&#039;t what I was thinking, so much as human-friendly systems. Whole and holistic, intelligently designed!  (or redesigned, which is exactly how I think about health care reform and school reform e.g.)

So take food systems, as you say.  It&#039;s not just more or less government regulation. That&#039;s not reform. Reform is changing the economics of our whole food system, a la Michael Pollan&#039;s Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.michaelpollan.com/indefense.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In Defense of Food: an Eater&#039;s Manifesto&lt;/a&gt; say, and Marion Nestle&#039;s Food Politics. Which ties into natural sciences of course, and requires more than &quot;praying away hurricanes&quot; as my governor has been doing, to shamelessly, stupidly pander to the miseducated electorate that two generations of attacking the public schools has created.

But if we ever did somehow get a mutually supportive core of thinking (homeschool, charter, ps, red, blue, every world view) families engaged in education reform at THAT level, we would change the world.  Governments, corporations, demoninations and unions would change or die in response.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree about regulations but that wasn&#8217;t what I was thinking, so much as human-friendly systems. Whole and holistic, intelligently designed!  (or redesigned, which is exactly how I think about health care reform and school reform e.g.)</p>
<p>So take food systems, as you say.  It&#8217;s not just more or less government regulation. That&#8217;s not reform. Reform is changing the economics of our whole food system, a la Michael Pollan&#8217;s Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma and <a href="http://www.michaelpollan.com/indefense.php" rel="nofollow">In Defense of Food: an Eater&#8217;s Manifesto</a> say, and Marion Nestle&#8217;s Food Politics. Which ties into natural sciences of course, and requires more than &#8220;praying away hurricanes&#8221; as my governor has been doing, to shamelessly, stupidly pander to the miseducated electorate that two generations of attacking the public schools has created.</p>
<p>But if we ever did somehow get a mutually supportive core of thinking (homeschool, charter, ps, red, blue, every world view) families engaged in education reform at THAT level, we would change the world.  Governments, corporations, demoninations and unions would change or die in response.  <img src='http://principleddiscovery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &quot;t-shirt&quot; logic isn&#039;t all bad. It is in the way you are meaning, but at the same time, when you have a message, you have to be able to condense it to something that can be immediately understood quickly.  We don&#039;t go to philosophy clubs anymore, and don&#039;t hang out at the local tavern discussing the Federalist Papers.

There&#039;s a camera, you have thirty seconds.

It takes a certain ability to communicate to succeed in that, but largely I think the Democrats are far more effective at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8220;t-shirt&#8221; logic isn&#8217;t all bad. It is in the way you are meaning, but at the same time, when you have a message, you have to be able to condense it to something that can be immediately understood quickly.  We don&#8217;t go to philosophy clubs anymore, and don&#8217;t hang out at the local tavern discussing the Federalist Papers.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a camera, you have thirty seconds.</p>
<p>It takes a certain ability to communicate to succeed in that, but largely I think the Democrats are far more effective at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can agree a lot on this one:

&lt;em&gt;(For example, I might start thinking this is nonpartisan corporate controlled loss of individual rights, rather than red versus blue politics, and that we’ll all being sold out and need to wake up and tame the CEO overlords before it’s too late. Sperbowl education, seriously??)&lt;/em&gt;

But then, that is a large reason behind my distrust of increased regulations.  They always favor large corporations.  That is part of why I distrust government involvement/takeovers.  They always favor large corporations.

I just want to be able to raise my little goats and chickens and maybe a couple of pigs, sell a little of my surplus.  I have no problem with the minimal regulations at the moment which essentially make sure a facility is sanitary.  But there is a lot being pushed by Big Ag that will kill any possibility of that.  And it isn&#039;t really the Republicans that are their friends.  (&amp; I don&#039;t have any of that stuff...well, a few chickens but not even enough to supply our own eggs. Just a dream!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can agree a lot on this one:</p>
<p><em>(For example, I might start thinking this is nonpartisan corporate controlled loss of individual rights, rather than red versus blue politics, and that we’ll all being sold out and need to wake up and tame the CEO overlords before it’s too late. Sperbowl education, seriously??)</em></p>
<p>But then, that is a large reason behind my distrust of increased regulations.  They always favor large corporations.  That is part of why I distrust government involvement/takeovers.  They always favor large corporations.</p>
<p>I just want to be able to raise my little goats and chickens and maybe a couple of pigs, sell a little of my surplus.  I have no problem with the minimal regulations at the moment which essentially make sure a facility is sanitary.  But there is a lot being pushed by Big Ag that will kill any possibility of that.  And it isn&#8217;t really the Republicans that are their friends.  (&amp; I don&#8217;t have any of that stuff&#8230;well, a few chickens but not even enough to supply our own eggs. Just a dream!)</p>
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		<title>By: Shawna</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/09/08/why-we-should-listen-to-the-president/comment-page-1/#comment-1100297</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks you.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
		<link>http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/09/08/why-we-should-listen-to-the-president/comment-page-1/#comment-1100294</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like that description of the American melting pot, Shawna, thanks for that image.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like that description of the American melting pot, Shawna, thanks for that image.  <img src='http://principleddiscovery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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